LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

You know what they say though, trans children are like vegan cats, it’s really not them behind it.

If the helplines get seperated then a kid might think they are trans and phone the T dedicated helpline when it turns out they were l or g all along.

We are 100% not saying the same thing. This scenario you've suggested already happens, all the time.

So as far as I can gather anything other than absolute affirmation of a trans identity is conversion therapy. But all LGB people must be told they might actually be trans.

Appalled that someone thinks groups should be allowed to tell kids their bodies are "wrong".

Definitely sounds like conversation therapy to me.

cross-posted with the person confirming it. Holy shit. Horrific.

Firstly, why would a trans kid call a specifically LGB helpline, when there are hundreds of T specific support lines and help groups,

holy fuck I just worked it out. The "trans kids" the poster is worried about are not children who think they're trans, who have all the trans-specific resources in the world as you say. This person is worried that a lesbian or gay kid who doesn't identify as something else might call the helpline and not have the "have you considered you're actually trans" conversion conversation.

The threat to trans kids is if a trans kid phones this helpline.... [Hyperbole hyperbole]....

Firstly, why would a trans kid call a specifically LGB helpline, when there are hundreds of T specific support lines and help groups, (who all by the way tell young LGB people that "they're really trans so actually straight" anyway).

Secondly if a T kid does call up, asking about T problems which are very different to LGB problems, they'll likely be politely directed to a helpline to speak with people who have the relevent qualifications. They'll be helped, just like everyone else.

Thirdly, stop spreading fear and lies about LGB people.

I did read it as starlee pushing for conversion therapy for young LGB people too.

Maybe they will come back and clarify their simplistic thoughts and hyperbolic statements about ‘anti-T’ and answer the questions put to them.

At least starlee admitted that T people seems to be very different in needs to LGB people. Maybe, just maybe, they will be able to say just why all those letters have to be together otherwise, it is just hate and anti-T.

Did you really just push for conversion therapy for homosexual young people @Starlee?? Good grief

@Starlee are you saying that supporting LGB youth is transphobic? Why? Have you told breast cancer uk that they should also support men with prostate cancer?

Wow Starlee You're really here pushing for conversion therapy for LGB children??
In the past far too many trans kids never knew about gender identities and grew up thinking they were LGB although something still felt 'wrong'

In the past far too many trans kids never knew about gender identities and grew up thinking they were LGB although something still felt 'wrong'.

And here we have it!

Perhaps you can tell us then why T has been forced teamed with the LGB?

And while you explain what they have in common in reality, (ie. Except that there is a % of T people who are LBT, just like there is a % of T who are not LGB), could you also explain why if a trans person was LGB why their needs as a LGB person Will not be looked after by LGB Alliance?

There are supporters of LGB Alliance who are trans, so who are you starlee to declare LGB Alliance ‘anti-trans’?

The LGBA do not believe trans exist, they say no-one can be "born in the wrong body"

I thought Mermaids were supposed to be a good resource for “trans kids” but I must have been mistaken….

twitter.com/mermaids_gender/status/1309192315467116547?lang=en

I have attached a screen grab of the tweet, but they also say

No child is born in the wrong body ✅

PS LGBA is no more ‘anti trans’ than I am assuming, for example, Trans Lifeline, Trans Radio UK, Be: Trans Support and Community who all only support the T is anti LGB.

The threat to trans kids is if a trans kid phones this helpline without knowing that the LGBA are an anti-trans group, and they get told that they're not trans, they're just confused LGB kids who will simply grow up gay, not trans.
In the past far too many trans kids never knew about gender identities and grew up thinking they were LGB although something still felt 'wrong'. many covered it up for years and even now some pensioners are still coming out as trans after living their whole lives not being 'themselves' with all the mental anguish that came with having to hide it.
It's only been with wider knowledge that coming out has become slightly easier, very much like the 70s / 80s when so many more LGB people were able to come out because of the wider tolerance.
The LGBA do not believe trans exist, they say no-one can be "born in the wrong body", so they are not going to give any helpful advice to trans kids who phone them. They're more likely to give their version of conversion therapy, which as we all know does not work and can make the situation far worse.

Thank you

www.tnlcommunityfund.org.uk/about/contact-us

Which email did you use? The main page only seems to have a chat function

Yes excellent idea to send an email in support

Just to be fair to Stonewall (I know...) they used to run groups. There was a lesbian parents group back in the day when lesbian parenting wasn't acknowledged as it is now and everyone acknowledged what a woman was.

I've emailed the lottery, congratulating them on being able to see past a baseless smear campaign against LGBA and award funds to a principled and competent organisation. Hopefully will stand out against the 100s of emails they'll no doubt get about erasing and literally killing trans children.

If everyone here emailed their thanks and added a few comments to

[email protected]

it would really help. I have. I thanked them and pointed out how all the local LGB groups and facilities had been taken over the LGBTQ+ and were in fact focussing almost exclusively on the TQ (and teaching LGB young people to be Q). I pointed out that LGB was a sexual orientation and TQ+ was a gender ideology choice.

Please, please, cut and paste and edit what you've written here and send it to the National Lottery Community Fund. Your emails will help support them to continue with this. If they don't get any thank yous they'll assume no one cared.

It's a very rum do.