LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

That's not the opposite to what I said. It's a completely different point.

You're thinking like a sensible adult and not an impressionable teen.

Please stop with the random non sequiturs.

TQ+ helplines already exist. It's been said a dozen times already on this thread. The existence of an LGB helpline is not going to make TQ+ helplines spring into being because they already exist. This is not a difficult concept. TQ+ helplines already exist. Please grasp that fact and move on. This may be the most stupid argument I've ever fucking seen and I've seen some doozies on this board.

"And there we have it" Have what?

There are people who never knew about gender identity, who never heard anything about it, never knew the words to use to understand how they felt. So they thought they were gay or lesbian, which is fine IF that's all they are. As many are.

But for a large number they grew up still not feeling right, realising that you are trans can be a long journey, not all know when they're kids, they just know something is "not right".
Once they make that realisation, which can be at ANY age, the change in them is amazing. It's like finally getting a medical diagnosis for a long term illness which no-one could ever pinpoint, FINALLY it all makes sense, you get the answer for all the questions that have been unanswered for years, maybe decades, and something can finally be done. It's really life-changing for them, for the first time EVER they feel like they're living as their true lives, not having to pretend to be something they're not. I know it's hard to understand if you've not been through it, but you don't have to understand it, just accept that people know themselves better than you know them. No-one goes through the anguish and transphobia they receive for the fun of it.

As for "why if a trans person was LGB why their needs as a LGB person Will not be looked after by LGB Alliance"
I really don't know why they won't help those they don't like, you'd have to ask them that. But it seems if you're also trans, or a trans ally, then that negates the fact that you're also LGB, you're trans therefore you're not "one of them" and are abused, insulted, dehumanised and ridiculed, and classed as 'homophobic' even if you're LGB yourself. And yes, I'm speaking from lived experience of myself and many others that I know.

And yes "There are supporters of LGB Alliance who are trans". They will be a relative few who have completed the whole process in days when they weren't at the mercy of increasingly long waiting lists - currently up to 7 YEARS for a first appointment a gender reassignment clinic depending on where in the country you live. They see themselves as 'special', genuine, yet denigrate other trans people still stuck in that ever increasing waiting list for treatment, even though they are still covered under the Equality Act as a "Protected characteristic".
Of course not all post-op trans come under that label, as ever it's the loudest minority who get heard, the rest are more than happy to support those who are still going through what they themselves have already been through.

If the National Lottery are happy to fund an LGB exclusive phoneline then they'll fund a TQ+/Non Binary phoneline, the kids will phone the one they see as cool and not the boring LGB one.

That point doesn't get any less stupid for being repeated by a different username. TQ+ helplines already exist. It's incoherent nonsense, they don't want LGB kids to have a helpline so they are throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

I agree with titchy. I suspect that there isn't a single LGBTQ organisation in existence in this country that same-sex attracted young people could turn to without being told that their same-sex attraction is transphobic. I would say it's vital that this service is one that recognises the conflict of interest between LGB and T and have no qualms about telling young people that they are fine just the way they are. If you add in the "T" you are adding in all manner of complexity and mixed messaging.

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that shanling was a TRA?
They're obviously quite the opposite.

That poster doesn't want LGBA to offer a helpline and thinks the T needs to be included. It's doesn't. They are two separate things. By blurring the boundaries we are in this mess. Teens need to see that trans isn't the same as being gay. And I am certain that LGBAs counsellors will be sensible enough to not alienate any teens that phone and express uncertainty over their gender identity.

Absolutely, you don't?

Weird, earlier you seemed quite convinced that counsellors manning LGBTQ+ helplines wouldn't do that, despite the fact that it's precisely the same people, subscribing to the same orthodoxies, in the TQ+ charities as the LGBTQ+ charities.

Anyway, since you believe that TQ+ organisations are likely to be inappropriate and unhelpful for young people you've made the case yourself as to why an LGB helpline run by people who don't believe in LGBTQ+ orthodoxies is necessary.

Would that be the opinion of the trustees/directors, otherwise known as trust me bro?

Well then that's disgusting. I'm surprised as a TRA you're happy to admit that frankly - perhaps you should formally complain to Mermaids et al.

I would be pretty certain LGBA's counsellors wouldn't do that - it seems to be a very ethical organising that centres safeguarding. Which is very good news for struggling teens.

I think this is great news. I've sent over my details to LGBA to offer volunteer assistance when they're ready.

Why would that be a problem though - the counsellors at the end of the phone line will be fully trained and experienced enough to provide support and to signpost the teen to other helplines if they're more appropriate.

Surely you don't think people manning TQ+ helplines would use a young person's distress to further their own activism?

Mermaids are an excellent source of info for all.
As they explain here, I know trans people who use "born in the wrong body" to describe how they feel, and no-one is telling them that they're wrong, how they feel is not for anyone else to tell them. mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/do-you-still-use-the-phrase-born-in-the-wrong-body/

And of course LGB Alliance are anti-trans, it's the reason they were set up in the first place!
Quote Bev Jacksn, joint founder of LGBA: "We’re applying for charitable status and building an organization to challenge the dominance of those who promote the damaging theory of gender identity."
They see gender identity as damaging and are against it - ANTI trans.

If there is a dedicated phone line just for teens who think they are LGB then it follows that there will be a phone line just for teens who think they are trans.
There are several phone lines for teens who think they are trans.

I would like to think that the people manning the trans helplines are sufficiently trained to recognise that a teen saying they are trans may struggling with being gay, able to explore that with them, and to signpost accordingly. Now they'll have somewhere to signpost to - isn't that great.

None of those are specifically for children.

What are you talking about? Several of those organisations linked to provide specific support helplines to children.

I'm shocked frankly that there are none for gay kids - you'd have thought Stonewall would have prioritised that.

Thank goodness LBGA are doing something about that lack of support which almost certainly has been extremely harmful to many young people.

It doesn’t follow. Again, why are you trying to drag trans into a conversation about sexuality?

There are helplines where 13-25 year olds can go to discuss their gender identity. There are helplines where 13-25 year olds can go to discuss either their sexual identity or their gender identity. I see no reason why there shouldn’t be a helpline for 13-25 year olds to discuss their sexual identity. Protests to the contrary reek of homophobia to me.