LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

I think you are spot on @TastefulRainbowUnicorn

Also, the T is like a parasite when grouped with LGB, so it's a great thing that the LGB community are able to get the support where needed, without having to centre the T.

I am guessing some of the TRA community are well aware they are parasites - "being dependent on, or exploiting another while giving little or nothing in return" - and that's why we seem members in here in such a panic over this situation.

Perhaps T being forced to split off onto their own 2 feet, is going to be the literal death of the TRA ideology?

@Starlee I'm a bit unsure what you're saying. In one post you state that kids know if they're trans. What does that mean to you?

Later, you state that parents would only choose that option (trans) for kids if absolutely necessary. But, surely if the kids already know their inner trans essence, the parent's choice is irrelevant? Or do you mean the parents would only choose medical transition for their kids if absolutely necessary?

That brings me back to - what exactly do you mean by 'being trans'?

Also, please read the experiences of the many parents of trans-identified teens on this board. In most cases, this is not an agenda pushed by parents, and is clearly influenced by social contagion.

@Starlee "Denial of the existence of gender identity is a hate crime."

I don't know in which country you live but it obviously is not Britain, where it is confirmed in law that "denial of the existence of gender identity" is a protected belief and is entirely lawful. [See Forstater judgement.]

Is the Good law project the one run by Jo Maugham, the one who just identifies as winning cases? In that case, I think LGBA will be ok. Now if they were up against someone competent, like the lovely Ben Copper, it might be a different story.

It is the opinion of the people who use their services, and the opinion of The Good Law Project who are supporting them in their appeal against the LGBA charity status.

There is nothing ethical about lgba. They set themselves up to openly oppose gender identity, they say it doesn't exist, they say trans kids don't exist, that trans kids are just confused lgb kids. Denial of the existence of gender identity is a hate crime.

Why would they? What do they have to gain?

Gay kids are NOT being made to think they're trans if they're not! That is a lie being spread by anti-trans groups.

The people running the trans helplines are also quite likely to be LGB themselves, and highly likely to know other people who are, so they will know that struggle. And hopefully they won't signpost the kids to a group openly hostile to trans people!

Maybe because the LGB Alliance say that trans kids don't exist, they will most likely simply grow up to be L or G. The LGBA bring trans into it wherever they can, thinking they can turn a trans child into LGB instead!
How they think they can turn gender identity in sexual orientation they've never explained, sounds like conversion therapy to me, which is why they don't want it banned.

There's nothing wrong with a helpline for LGB kids. There is something very wrong with a helpline for LGB kids run by an organisation that set itself up purely to challenge and deny gender identity.

Trans people know full well that many of them are also LGB so they are well aware that any trans kids could also be LGB and will be given that option.
You appear to believe in this 'grooming' nonsense that trans people want the kids to be trans. Well they know better than anyone the problems associated with being trans and any 'trendy' ideas will be gone long before the kids reach an age where they will be eligible for treatment.
And any parent doing even a basic search in what it entails for their child is not going to allow it unless it's absolutely necessary, no-one chooses all that for their kids simply to follow a fashion.

But it's ok for LGB Alliance to sell their GC ideology to children?

That's fine and it's your choice. But one group is highly unlikely to be openly hostile to the other. LGBAlliance are openly hostile to LGBT groups.

Ridiculous theory. Straight, lesbian and gay kids know they're straight lesbian or gay. Why's it so hard to understand that trans kids also know themselves?

It would also be a disaster for trans kids to be told by the LGBAlliance that they're not trans, they're just l or g. No-one seems to care about them but it happens all the time, and not only to kids but adults as well.

I'd like to know the answer to that too.

And if you can be born in the "wrong" body then what's to stop people identifying as a different race? It is exactly the same principle and yet somehow TRAs cheer on identifying as a different sex but identifying as a different race is offensive.

Sadly my disabled DC can't identify into being able bodied.

Starlee just to be clear - do you, personally, believe that it is possible to be born into the 'wrong' body? As in, people exist on some levels as souls and are matched with some kind of 'intended' body, and sometimes this goes wrong and they get a body that was not intended for them?

So some people have bodies that are 'incorrect' for them because they somehow don't 'match' a person's personality/soul/psyche? But generally everyone else has the correctly matched body?

Just trying to work out what you mean when you say 'born in the wrong body', because it sounds like you're advocating the idea that some children's bodies are "wrong".

Perhaps Stonewall UK should come out and say that it abhors the abuse of LGB Alliance; that anyone who supports Stonewall UK should desist immediately because Stonewall does not want to be associated in any way with such abuse?

Otherwise, do we assume that Stonewall UK condones such abuse?

@Starlee "Of course there are differences, one is sexual orientation, the other is gender identity, two different things."

"Gender identity" cannot be proved to exist. It is, thus, a fantasy; like any other religion.

Then we should add in people with disabilities, non-whites, and women to the alphabet.

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Another one applauding. I'm so sick of all this.

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A dedicated helpline for young lesbian, gay and bisexual people is sorely needed. They need to know there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and they have every right to defend same-sex attraction from those who do not respect people's boundaries.

Ages ago I posted a rant and I've saved it for those times when the blatant homophobia by gender zealots pisses me off. So here it is again.

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You know what really angers and upsets me about Stonewall and other gender zealots? The utter betrayal and undermining of the L, G and B.

The gender zealots are not content with making up their own definitions for trans, queer and the other trailing alphabets. No, they are determined to break any link with SEXuality for lesbians, gays and bisexuals. Already on the Stonewall website, it claims homosexuality is an outdated and offensive term. (Newsflash: it's not) They want to brainwash younger generations by avoiding the connection between the terms lesbian/gay with homosexuality. So now lesbian and gay no longer means same sex attraction, but same gender attraction.

Bisexuality was the last remaining one with links to SEXuality. First, the gender zealots pronounced that bisexuality is an attraction to two or more genders. But the SEX in bisexual was an awkward reminder of reality. Observe now that bisexual has morphed into bi. I've even seen some bisexual groups overrun by gender zealots who call it bi+. I mean, what the fuck does bi+ even mean?!?

This is a sinister assault on the reality of sex underpinning homosexuality and bisexuality (and by extension heterosexuality). They want to obscure and break any link or reference of human sexuality to reality. Younger generations are being g***d into thinking terms like lesbian, gay and bi are frivolous labels that are based on some nebulous feeling rather than a factual term for describing the nature of sexual orientation. It's so upsetting.

The gender zealots demand respect for their endless gender identities but refuse to respect homosexuality and bisexuality. I am biSEXual and not ashamed of my attraction to both sexes. Leave my sexuality alone you fuckers! Get your own bloody words instead of changing ours!