LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

@NonnyMouse1337 "Get your own bloody words instead of changing ours!"
You mean like the word "gay" that always used to mean 'happy'?
Times change, words evolve, ranting about it won't make any difference.

By the way, you might find this interesting from today's Guardian: www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/16/britons-not-bitterly-polarised-over-trans-equality-research-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw&fbclid=IwAR2Di4M-IqHA7PQr0vkj_HzuchsRX6VIw7cKmWyiR3GqPYKIVapF31dyLPU

I despair at the posters plopping on this thread.

What is clear is that so many people have ill thought out prejudices against an organisation. They simply cannot provide anything close to convincing and evidence supported reasons and have resorted to repetitious whatabouts, memes and simply repeating trope they have been convinced is righteous by other social media platforms that cannot withstand a skerrick of scrutiny.

I despair because some posters believe this is convincing. That they have been convinced by it...

And if tickets are available so no LGB person was unable to attend, are we to believe that no heterosexual people who are either a) reporting on the event , b) supporting an LGB person and c) may be interested in hearing an LGB perspective on issues discussed at the conference d) people employed in roles supporting LGB people, should be welcome to enter?

Does this work with any other open to the public conference?

Do you understand just how 'echo chambers' are built?

If this was a 'trans' event, would any non-trans person be welcome? No allies, no family members or support from friends, no people working with support.... no health care professionals who were not trans themselves, no one but trans people?

Do you see how weak this 'gotcha' is?

@citrusbaby, those first two images on this meme are very sexist and old-fashioned. Surely you don't support that 1950s view of gender roles?

Can we assume that if they did that, you would not criticise them for being in an echo chamber?

Or "anti-straight"?

I mean if just not standing for "T" specifically but still welcoming trans people is "anti-trans", then excluding straight people altogether would be practically "straight genocide", right?

"anti-transgender activist" pro-women's rights activist Graham Linehan?

There you go, fixed it for you.

How bizarre... people dictating that experts be ignored at a LGB conference, with no LGB alternative that can ideally fit the discussion, because they are not LBG....

And yet another poster who seems to be declaring that an organisation that gets the best people to discuss the topic, rather than just people who are 'part' of the organisation or membership is an organisation to be demonised and monstered.

Do you really understand what you are trying to posit?

That at conference sessions that was discussing issues from a LGB perspective but that were NOT LGB specific, you feel that LGB Alliance should have ignored any expert that was not LGB.... hence creating an 'echo chamber'.

Can we assume that if they did that, you would not criticise them for being in an echo chamber?

The LGB Alliances conference attendence was 87% LGB.

Why did it have so many heterosexual speakers though, including 'anti-transgender activist" Graham Linehan?

LGB Alliance is supported 'overwhelmingly by heterosexual' people

Gay/lesbian/bisexual people are supported overwhelmingly by heterosexual people. Isn't this a good thing? Showing the reduction in homophobia across society?

The LGB Alliances conference attendence was 87% LGB.

Stonewall, on the other hand, seems fixated on straight white males.

Maybe this is apt?

LGB Alliance is supported 'overwhelmingly by heterosexual' people

Can @citrusbaby state clearly whether they believe heterosexual people - so people attracted to those of the opposite sex, not gender - can be gay? Or does citrus believe that being gay or straight is actually about people's sex?

Nope. It's all they have.

I was watching the Anna Delvey tv show on Netflix, it's quite interesting (but long!) - any time someone asks her to pay the money back she 'borrowed because of issues with my bank' her tactic is to shout 'why are you making a big drama over this?' 'I don't understand why you're so dramatic over this, stop obsessing!' 'I'll get it to you tomorrow, it's on its way' - and this works! People stop asking because they're embarrassed! And the money still does not materialise...

Deflecting, misrepresenting, and pretending to have a strop about WHYYY everyone is OBSESSSSED with LABELLLS is the same thing.

the LGBA was set up with the stated aim of opposing transgender people, they are against transgender, they are anti-trans, they are transphobic. How many more ways does it need saying that this is not a reputable non-discriminatory, unbiased group. They are based on hate and division, like any hate group.

No matter how man times you repeat these lies, they remain lies.
Have you got any arguments other than bullshit?

That last bit not to you Deacon it's just baffling and frustrating. And of limited point when you're dealing with a political group who's main tactic is to yell made up stuff very loudly with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed.

Well let's be honest about this. The political lobby in question can define it. They don't because to do so would wholly undermine everything they say and make it impossible to get what they want.

Obfustication, confusion, lack of shared meaning and good old fashioned making stuff up and bluffing is what their entire success is based on.

plus never allowing useful captive groups to get away, out of their control, and talk to people with their own voices instead of being an obedient political mouthpiece. Groups like women and homosexuals. De transitioners. And so on.

I feel like I'm having to repeatedly explain and point out what is wrong here, when this is absolutely obvious to anyone with a basic grip on reality. It's like pointing at a broken cup to someone who is insisting they can't see it, it isn't broken, it's not even a cup, and I should be caring about..... something, anything else instead. It's like arguing with a toddler.

So citrusbaby, are you too just regurgitating stuff you have pulled from the internet as some kind of 'gotcha' without actually thinking about what you are posting?

Have you really thought about what that minion meme says about you and your own prejudices about Mumsnet? You are not a new poster to MN, but you obviously have some significant prejudices about the people who post here.

Please provide the evidence that LGB Alliance is supported 'overwhelmingly by heterosexual' people? Look back in this thread and I am sure you will find that evidence... oh wait... they couldn't substantiate their snide and snarky claims either.

Maybe there is a meme for that... posters who post shit claims on MN and think they are morally and intellectually superior... maybe with a cute minion to go with it? Or a cat? Or a dog?

Well done in arguing your case so articulately.

Yeah, telling a group of lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals that they must really be heterosexual: very progressive. Well done, @citrusbaby .

But, eh, this is just plain old DARVO, because meanwhile, most "queer" organisations are full of people who live almost entirely heterosexual lives, but slap a label on themselves so as not to be boring. No, a het marriage between a woman with short hair and a man who likes nail polish is not "queer".

Actually I don't understand the obsession with 'labels', they make no difference to who or what a person actually is.

No-one is "obsessed" with labels. Have you not understood why people think that clear definitions are important when it comes to writing laws? Seriously? If you didn't understand that, you could've asked.

People chanting 'TWAW' would equally appear to be "obsessed" with the "label" of "woman". The issue - the very big issue - is that they are unable to define it.

Where have I even suggested that homosexuality is transphobic?, of course it's not!

Your insistence that an organisation supporting LGB people means that they are "anti- trans".

Which specific legal rights are the LGBA trying to remove, btw?

I am actually laughing at this mornings attempt.

How hilarious that someone is continuing to post about heterosexual people ‘supporting’ LGB Alliance!

So… tell us again what is ‘queer’ about the many heterosexuals under the ‘Q’?

And aside from that, how many heterosexual people ‘support’ Stonewall in the same way you are accusing people of supporting LGB Alliance?

Hypocrisy writ large …

but hey.. let’s post memes so that people can quickly understand that you have outsourced your critical thinking capacity to a meme maker.

And people are so gullible.

Sometimes I fantasise about making a nice meme about something totally batshit just as an experiment to see how fast a lot of highly silly people run around sharing it and shouting it as if it's got any basis in reality.

As a...

I see we're on to the silly memes now.

The problem is that memes cut through much more effectively than walls of text to the general public nowdays, we could do with more memers on our side (shout out to Moley)

I second what Artichoke says. You're tantrumming because you know as well as I do (I'm LGB) that the T only got traction by teaming itself with the LGB and then taking it over and turning on LGB people. How homophobic would you have to be to deny same-sex people the right to organise independent of other groups whose interests are in direct opposition to LGB people?

I see we're on to the silly memes now.

There really is nothing but sheer making stuff up and a lot of drama is there? Not a bloody grown up anywhere in the building. And you wonder why LGB people are sick to the back teeth of all this childish nutjobbery and want their own organisation and to be able to say 'look, that stuff is not in our name, it's against our interests, and we are being used as useful tools in the TQ+ political agenda'.