LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

Very concerning that the LGB Alliance seem to think this is something the community doesn't already have - that said it is unsurprising as there are large gaps in their knowledge of the community.

Why are you so scared of competition? Surely the more support services the better?

And if it is a specific group that is being supported, to the exclusion of another group which has already got support, so what?

I predict this is a project that will not get off the ground. They won't have the volunteers or get many calls because most LGBT people who know of them want nothing to do with them.

Ok. So if you have shut down an extra level of support for LGB youth, do you feel very proud of yourself? Because that LGB support did not believe in exactly the right groupthink that you do?

Do you understand the complete lack of tolerance you show towards others who simply do not believe in the entrenched viewpoint that you hold? And that you are doing this in the name of tolerance? Do you see the hypocrisy there?

But I know, quite possibly like your DC, that I would identify as able-bodied if it was at all possible. Sadly sometimes, again like your DC, it just isn't possible, but that doesn't stop me supporting disabled people who can have treatment / surgery etc that could help.

Yes I do believe some people are born in the wrong body. But that's not the same as telling children their body is wrong - their mind/soul/psyche, whatever you call the essence that makes them 'them' is right, their bodies are right, they just don't match up with each other.

So you acknowledge that to believe that, you have to have a belief in a soul and some greater being that has 'intended' bodies for those souls to go in?

More importantly, what do you mean by 'match'? Can you be specific - which kinds of souls 'match' which kinds of bodies?

Every other person I've asked who insists there are souls that match bodies cannot answer this.

(Btw, it looks like you are assuming I am not trans. I've been questioning whether I fit some kind of trans definition for some time, and I'm beginning to find it quite hurtful when people say 'ask a trans person' but then refuse to answer honestly themselves, or even say what they mean by 'trans person').

Booing isn't violence. It's free speech.

Much like when the LGB Alliance said trans people were like "vegan cats":

twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1535349212753317888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

They are so silly 😂😂😂

We are our bodies. There is no “me” other than my body, so it doesn’t make any sense to say someone is in the wrong one.

You seem to be positing a non-corporeal aspect to a person, analogous to a soul, something other than a person’s physical self, which also has a sex which may or may not accord with the person’s actual sex.

This is of course completely unevidenced, and highly implausible.

How do you prove lgb exists?

You know that you can study people's arousal response don't you? This isn't a new concept?

So how do you prove GI exists?

And we are back. What is the definition, a coherent or stable definition, for Gender?

why not try talking TO them and hearing the truth? Or are you all fantasising about them too?

This seems to be back to the 'blaming' cognitive distortion. We are again being supposedly vilified and to being wholly good or bad, rather than a poster engaging with the substance of our points.

Starlee, many people on this thread know and love trans people. Only you and some other posters are trying to make this into a polarised discussion to push your agenda to discredit and demonise LGB Alliance.

You wish to cause harm to LGB Alliance for your own deeply prejudiced reasons. None of which you have supported with anything but unconvincing emotional reasoning.

Your completely blinkered view and prejudice about other posters on this board is repetitive. However, we will keep pointing out the deficits of your posts because the reality is, the more readers see your weak points rejected by showing your lack of logic and evidence, the more readers will understand just which posters completely lack credibility.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

Yep (assuming you missed out a word there). TRAs threaten violence against LGB people. That's supposed to convince me there shouldn't be a charity for LGB people? I struggle to understand that logic.

As always.

Yes I do believe some people are born in the wrong body. But that's not the same as telling children their body is wrong - their mind/soul/psyche, whatever you call the essence that makes them 'them' is right, their bodies are right, they just don't match up with each other.
I personally know trans people who describe it like that, it's the best way they know to try and describe it to people who don't understand, although I don't think anyone who isn't trans can truly understand it. But we can accept that people know themselves (far better than we do!), and it's not for us to tell them who/what they are.
I have seen the incredible difference when a trans person finally comes out, often after many years of shutting themselves away from the world, even from family, and when you see it for yourself you have no doubt that they are doing the right thing. Very similar to LGB people who may have closeted their true selves for years. The freedom to finally be themselves is not something we have any right to try and stop.
But don't take my word for it, ask trans people themselves, really listen to them, not the myths and lies spread by the anti-trans ideologists.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/08/29/lgb-alliance-manchester-pride-protest/

They are completely outside the mainstream of the community because the vast majority of gays, lesbians and bisexuals support trans rights. Whoever is attending their conference is on the fringe of the community.

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work - like getting LGBT people out of Afghanistan:

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-helps-lgbt-afghans-start-new-life-in-britain

No wonder so many bigots hate them. They actually deliver for the LGBT community.

starlee, as citrus hasn't returned, can you answer? You believe that heterosexual (ie a person of one sex attracted solely to people of the opposite sex) people can be gay, don't you?

They won't have the volunteers or get many calls because most LGBT people who know of them want nothing to do with them.

That's such a confident assertion that it would be helpful if you'd share your source for that. It reads as if you have at least seen a representative survey that was collected by a reputable survey organisation with a fine reputation for analysis.

Same goes for disabled people, they are also there under all the various letters, LGBT is not a disablist label.

When they're so close to getting it...!

You seem to be struggling here. We know that homosexuality exists, it’s observable. There is no evidence of an innate gender.

It’s a religious belief, like the existence of a soul.

Sadly trans activists seem unable to understand this, what with them nearly all being quite poorly educated, and not the sharpest tools in the box.

Two spirit? Nice bit of cultural appropriation there.

Stonewall is subjected to constant, horrendous abuse from the LGBA, why should they defend that? The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement.

Please post links. Which opening mission statement was this please?

How do you prove lgb exists? Ask lgb people themselves

Um, no, actually. We observe people's behaviour. If no man ever had sex with a man, and no woman ever had sex with a woman, we would be equally sceptical about "LGB" existing.

We also observe the behaviour of those who claim to have gender identities. It's not perceptively different from those who don't. Men who say they're women act like men, and women who say they're men act like women.

There's no perceptible commonality between a man with a "woman identity" and an actual woman, and there's no perceptible difference between that man and any other man. Hence the scepticism.

Sure, maybe that man has "dysphoria", but a "gender identity" shared with the opposite sex? Totally counter to all observable evidence.

Why? There already is an LGBT Switchboard

switchboard.lgbt/

Very concerning that the LGB Alliance seem to think this is something the community doesn't already have - that said it is unsurprising as there are large gaps in their knowledge of the community.

I predict this is a project that will not get off the ground. They won't have the volunteers or get many calls because most LGBT people who know of them want nothing to do with them.

You are kidding? Stonewall is subjected to constant, horrendous abuse from the LGBA, why should they defend that? The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement.

As for your claim that ""Gender identity" cannot be proved to exist. It is, thus, a fantasy; like any other religion." is just ridiculous.
How do you prove lgb exists? Ask lgb people themselves, we exist.
So how do you prove GI exists? Ask the people involved. You're all talking about them here, why not try talking TO them and hearing the truth? Or are you all fantasising about them too?

Should I post that meme again....

I mean really, do people read what they write?

😂

Same goes for disabled people, they are also there under all the various letters, LGBT is not a disablist label.

Amazing.

So how come so many people can't grasp that trans people are there in the LGB Alliance under those 3 letters?

Weird.

They're already there.
LGBTQIA2S+ is an acronym for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and/or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Two-Spirit, while the “+” symbolizes the many other ways an individual can choose to identify. https://olc.sfu.ca/topic/equity-diversity-inclusion/lgbtqai2s

More specifically, non-whites are already included under all the current letters same as white people, LGBT is not a racial description. And black and brown stripes have been added to the rainbow flag, as have the trans colours.
Same goes for disabled people, they are also there under all the various letters, LGBT is not a disablist label.
All those you mention (and more) are protected characteristics in the Equality Act.

True MrsO. But it is the glimpse into what has convinced people that is concerning.

And that some people honestly believe that others should be similarly convinced by the same paucity of data and though.

Obviously it's right to despair at those so enmeshed in an ideology that they can't cope with facts, science and opinions they disagree with Hellofabore . But I'm pleased to see this thread repeatedly bumped to the top of the board. There are so many knowledgeable posts, so many women patiently explaining (again and again) about lesbophobia, woman hatred and giving factual information to the ploppers.
I know it's tedious but for the countless lurkers, it's so important.

Hmm. There's a different interpretation to that of the captured Guardian if you look at more reputable news sources:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4570160-public-want-trans-women-kept-out-of-female-sport-times-16622