LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

it is the stated reason for their existence, as in their mission statement

Have we pivoted now from "The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement."? to being a less specific "the LGBA was set up with the sole purpose of opposing gender identity"

"Supporting them is supporting the opposition and discrimination of trans people."

Maybe you could post a link to support your claim that LGB Alliance is supporting the 'opposition' of trans people.

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB Alliance and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

Discrimination by itself is not the evil word you are portraying it to be.

Supporting trans people is not homophobic. Mermaid's have never denied the existence / rights of lgb people. They have evolved from being a small group of trans kids' parents to a larger organisation supporting all LGBTQ+ people. Same as Stonewall have evolved from being LGB to being LGBTQ+. It's all good, all more help for the people who need it.
In contrast, the LGBA was set up with the sole purpose of opposing gender identity, it is the stated reason for their existence, as in their mission statement, they are based on discrimination and hatred of another minority, protected group of vulnerable people.
Supporting them is supporting the opposition and discrimination of trans people.

It's not a nasty meme, I've seen it on Mumsnet many times. It's basically the pictorial equivalent of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

I don't know which post you're referring to so can't check what I said. But It's not for parents to "choose" for their kids to be trans, being trans or not is not a choice that anyone has, same as being straight / cis is not a choice, it's just how you are.
As the mother of a trans daughter I say that given a choice parents would most likely choose a life for their kids that wouldn't involve medications, surgeries, problems with transphobia etc, life is much easier for those who don't have those issue to cope with and there's nothing wrong with wishing for an easier life for your kids.
But if you have a trans child you have to accept that they have a right to live their own lives, and when they're adult only they can make the choice whether to have surgery or not, some don't want or can't have that surgery for whatever reasons. Our job as parents is to support them, and if you can't support your kids to be who they are or for doing something that is perfectly legal then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place - if you expect your kids to be clones of yourself you're likely to be very disappointed!

By the way Starlee, that surgery that you posted even tells you that at least 25% of those questioned 'knew' someone who was trans.

I would posit that the number will be much higher with anyone with teenaged children. And you DO realise don't you, that you are posting on Mumsnet? And the likelihood of posters on this very thread to have teens who have trans identities or who have other family members or friends who have teens with trans identities is very very high.

But please do continue with your very ignorant assertion that posters on this thread do not know and love trans people.

It obviously allows you to discount any view that doesn't exactly match yours.

Thank you Traxes. That is really nasty.

Maybe I should find another minion meme for citrusbaby?

They seem to like memes and maybe that will cheer them up so they are in a better mood to post.

The only “explanation” I’ve ever heard is just that “it’s different”, but of course that’s no explanation at all.

Given that splitting people up into distinct races is pretty arbitrary (we could make the split along all kinds of different lines if we wanted) whereas sex differences are anything but, trans-racial seems far more reasonable than trans-sexual.

Trans-national is another one. Rather than needing a visa to work in the US why can’t I identify as a US citizen?

The refusal of TRAs to engage with these questions is telling. They know that there’s no rational reason to say that an innate gender identity is real but an innate racial identity isn’t, so they have to ignore or deflect.

It was the Wojack crying behind a smiley mask meme.

Stonewall is subjected to constant, horrendous abuse from the LGBA, why should they defend that? The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement.

Looking forward to seeing the link for this.

I think that we should be able to judge whether LGB Alliance states they have set up to 'oppose Stonewall'. Because there is no mention of Stonewall in their mission statement linked below:

lgballiance.org.uk/policies/

Is there something else you are referring to?

Have they changed it and you have a link to a prior copy?

Agreed

Very nasty

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work

Like teaching same sex attraction is bad, akin to racism and must be overcome. And teaching men how to coerce lesbians into having sex with them? That sort of proper work?

Why can you be trans gender but not trans racial?

or trans age.

That one was actually rejected in court. But why is it less valid?

Wow. That was a very quick deletion from citrusbaby. Maybe you could reword it so that we can see you articulately rebut the posts you disagree with.

Well fuck!!!

John Nicolson??

I am not surprised.

Could you please articulate what the LGB Alliance was referring to in that tweet?

And can you tell us clearly why this analogy is incorrect in the case of a vulnerable child of 4?

Forget Nicolson's twist to use it for teenagers, tell us about that actual tweet thread by LGB Alliance.

And the entire thread, not just a cherry picked image as Nicolson has.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

And that is good why?

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work - like getting LGBT people out of Afghanistan:

And appearing on Al Jazeera which is backed by the same as those backing the Taliban.

This sort of childish name-calling is pathetic, but seems to be all that TRAs actually have.

Mermaids don't give a flying fuck about LGB kids. But most of us here know that.

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work

And yet... organisations are pulling their support of Stonewall... Because their 'proper' work is deemed as being not supported by the actual law, just what they want it to be. And their CEO and staff have a habit of making offensive statements. I am very happy to post links to what Nancy Kelley has said, what Kirin Medcalf has said, and even the incredibly harmful aspects of things that Peter Tatchell has written.

Happy to go and find those links, they are stashed through different MN threads as it has been long discussed.

"proper work" ... like coming out and making a statement that people within the trans community (if there even is a community) need to stop ignoring the abuse and threats to lesbians when they reject males as sexual partners.... that 'proper work'? yeah... have not seen it.

No wonder an alternative for LGB people is needed.

But don't take my word for it, ask trans people themselves, really listen to them, not the myths and lies spread by the anti-trans ideologists.

Have you come back to denouncing some trans people as 'anti-trans' then?

Maybe you could go back and answer my questions to you. I asked who you were starlee to be appointed as a spokesperson for ALL trans people? Who else in the world has been appointed as a spokesperson for ALL trans people and how did you come to the authority to declare who is worthy of being called trans and who is not?

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/08/29/lgb-alliance-manchester-pride-protest/

They are completely outside the mainstream of the community because the vast majority of gays, lesbians and bisexuals support trans rights. Whoever is attending their conference is on the fringe of the community.

Sorry for the meme post again. I just cannot resist.

You do understand that your statement supports that some activists (thankfully we know not all because there are some trans people who are very tolerant) are completely intolerant of others?

You do understand that your statement is showing those activists, maybe even you, to be completely incapable of accepting an alternative view point?

please do crack on. MrsO was spot on. This does keep this thread bumped and we are getting more and more people posting because of it.

And starlee just to clarify - you think that people who are "born in the wrong body" don't have anything wrong with their body? Or that they do? It's not clear, as you were talking about advocating surgery for them.

Not even Mermaids believes in wrong body. It's so old fashioned.

You avoided the question there.

Why can you be trans gender but not trans racial? Why should we accept a male’s statement that he is a woman but not accept Rachel Dolezal’s statement that she is black?

How is she any less black than Chris Rock? It seems a completely unjustified double-standard being used.