LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

Whether you're 4 or 14, no trans person is like a vegan cat and the LGB Alliance are a group of idiots run for idiots.

So, still not posting anything relating the original source, just John Nicolson's very prejudiced interpretation and you continue to rely on an emotional reaction without engaging with the substance of the tweet.

Except the transphobic ones, yes!

If there was a homophobic trans person at pride they too would not be welcome.

Stonewall was at the forefront of the campaigns to repeal Section 28, the ban on LGBT serving in HM Armed Forces and the legalisation of gay marriage.

Surprised that someone who seems to think themselves such an expert on LGBT matters didn't know that.

Whether you're 4 or 14, no trans person is like a vegan cat and the LGB Alliance are a group of idiots run for idiots.

When the LGB Alliance get off their arse and do something useful like helping LGBT people get out of a dangerous country like Afghanistan get back to me.

So, you can discount the things they have not achieved recently for LGB people as one of the largest charities / educators about LGB people for decades, because of their work in 'Afghanistan'?

Again... good to know.

It's not competition. This is like having a Rolls Royce and someone offering to sell you a car that has failed its MOT test, three flat tyres and no roof. That's what the LGB Alliance is offering us here.

So, you are not going to go to the original source, look at the full context of that tweet and then discuss it when it is applied then to a 4 year old, not a teen?

Good to know.

On mumsnet? Many times? It's not that long ago that posters on here were only allowed to post six images a day.

I think you have mumsnet confused with reddit or with twitter.

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people. Erm... except the LGB ones??

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people.

yes. ALL LGBT people. Not just for those who believe in the exact same thing as you. Please point out to what YOU consider 'transphobic'. Exact examples, please.

Again... do you not understand this is not the 'gotcha' that you believe it is? You have doubled down on it. It really does show how intolerant you are.

And before you ask, yes a racist or sexist group should be booed too. Pride is the wrong place to display prejudice.

And yet... you have shown exactly how prejudiced the crowd at Pride really is.

Well done.

When the LGB Alliance get off their arse and do something useful like helping LGBT people get out of a dangerous country like Afghanistan get back to me.

In the meantime I will continue to applaud the great work to promote our community in the face of homophobia and transphobia.

The LGB Alliance said being young and trans is like being a "vegan cat".

Personally, I think being transgender is normal and think society should do more to celebrate these wonderful people.

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB Alliance and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

Oh no..

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB people and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people.

And before you ask, yes a racist or sexist group should be booed too. Pride is the wrong place to display prejudice.

And providing a live demonstration of exactly why the LGB Alliance is needed.

You think people on here believe that someone attracted to a man is a lesbian?

Good God. I missed that. This thread is fourteen pages long. It was first explicitly mentioned on page 5 that Starlee is using terms like “gay” and “lesbian” differently from almost all the other posters.

Even after being told this, they have continued arguing vociferously for nine pages without even bothering to understand what is meant by the letters “LGB” in “LGB Alliance”

As several other posters have just said, I’d think that since a transwoman’s sex is male, if they were attracted to females that would make them heterosexual.

As for Mermaids supporting LGB people, does this mean that they disagree with Stonewall’s comments on ‘sexual racism’ and the cotton ceiling?

Oh god. what a day. 'gender identity' NOT gender orientation.

Why would we think a man attracted to a woman was gay? They are heterosexual.

You think people on here believe that someone attracted to a man is a lesbian?

Do you even know what you are trying to say at this point? How can a woman, acting as a man, but attracted to an actual, real man, be a lesbian?

Oh dear... Survey. Not 'surgery'.

Here is the link to the report.

www.moreincommon.org.uk/media/giljcopo/britons-and-gender-identity-navigating-common-ground-and-division-june-2022.pdf

Also. The author, and ex Stonewall employee said:

Luke Tryl, the report author who worked as head of education at the lobby group Stonewall, said: “From the toxic debate across social media you’d assume the country is split into trans activists and transphobes. But when you speak to ordinary people across the country you realise that nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, most Britons take a nuanced, compassionate approach that is rooted in society doing what it can to make trans people feel accepted but which also balances inclusion with fairness.” Others could learn from ordinary Britons, he added.

The interesting part is this: 'Instead, most Britons take a nuanced, compassionate approach that is rooted in society doing what it can to make trans people feel accepted but which also balances inclusion with fairness.'

'balances' is the key word here.

There is nothing balanced about the posts here where people are simply emoting and declaring that a group is a 'hate group' or unworthy of consideration by someone with a very clear and large prejudice.

LGB Alliance can by law provide a service that is focused on the LGB people were attracted to the same 'sex' as a LG or B person. That is regardless of the person's gender orientation. ie. if a trans person is same sex attracted or bisexual they are supported as much as any other person.

Posters are railing against the morality of providing that service based on their own sense of righteousness. But without any empathy for any person who would be a LGB young person who wanted to use this service and the current services that also cater for a wider target.

But yes. The survey also states that 25% of those questioned 'knew' someone who was trans.

Ok, so starlee confirms that heterosexual people can be gay, so there's no issue with heterosexual people supporting the LGBAlliance, as someone posted upthread.

"What about trans men? Hardly ever e mention of them on here".

Why do you think that is? What could the difference between transmen and transwomen be?
Surely if we were all transphobic bigots, transmen would be mentioned just as much a transwomen?

A trans man attracted to a man I would call gay, you would probably call them lesbian.

They'd be straight.... Bio females attracted to bio males are straight.

I would yes, although you'd probably say they were gay.
What about trans men? Hardly ever e mention of them on here.
A trans man attracted to a man I would call gay, you would probably call them lesbian.
Depends which side of the argument you're on, but they're still homosexual.
It's just a shame that people are more concerned about labels than they are for the people themselves.