LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

Oh ffs, now you're being completely stupid, and ridiculously judgmental.

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Oh ffs, now you're being completely stupid, and ridiculously judgmental. So do these "quite poorly educated" trans supporters include those who are also LGB, or just those you consider to be hetero? How bloody arrogant can you get?!

What does "act like men" and "act like women" actually mean?

There are many average differences between male and female behaviour. Men are more violent, more aggressive, more likely to be narcissistic, including overestimating their own physical attractiveness, more likely to misread social cues, especially from women, more likely to commit sexual assault and more likely to have paraphilias. For example.

Of course some women also do some or all of these things. And many men do not. But you’d expect that a group of men who identify as women might display less stereotypically masculine behaviours than other men.That is not the case.

you also think LGB people can't be trusted to know themselves either,

Honey there are LGB people talking to you directly on this conversation thread. I'm one of them. I know at least one other has similarly identified themselves.

So as well as you thinking that trans people are wrong, you also think LGB people can't be trusted to know themselves either, that you know better by observing them?

"We also observe the behaviour of those who claim to have gender identities. It's not perceptively different from those who don't. Men who say they're women act like men, and women who say they're men act like women."
What does "act like men" and "act like women" actually mean? I though you didn't go in for sexual stereotypes, that's one of the main complaints I've seen mentioned against trans people?

The indoctrination on display is astounding. No evidence, no proof, just constantly parrot the same line over and over again.

I have stated many times that many trans people are also LGB. It's the LGBAlliance who want the T excluded, they don't want them there.

Please post the evidence where LGB Alliance 'excludes' trans people?

It actually doesn't matter how many time you state it. If you cannot provide the evidence, it remains untrue. Despite the repetition.

I have stated many times that many trans people are also LGB. It's the LGBAlliance who want the T excluded, they don't want them there.

And to be clear here.

This 'gotcha' actually highlighted that a transitioned male was not able to respect the needs of females.

We keep being told by activists that transitioned males fully respect the needs of females and would respect a plainly signed single sex toilet to be solely for the use of females and females only.

This 'gotcha' posted by RhinestoneCow merely highlighted that females are quite right to be suspicious of assertions such as that. That while many transitioned males WOULD and, in fact, DO respect the need for single sex spaces to be for females only when sex matter, this activist clearly cannot respect it when clearly notified.

Yes. This is true. And most posters on MN FWR are supportive of trans people too. We have been telling you this since you first posted on this thread.

I don't understand where the idea that FWR doesn't support trans people comes from, if someone could point out a transphobic post on here I'd be grateful.

If anything this is one of the more welcoming online spaces for trans people.

and amazing that other TW at the LGBA Conference managed to abide by the policy of single sex toilets being single sex.

Leaves one to wonder why that particular TW deliberately didn't.

Strangely I am not offended that LGB Alliance excludes me from their representation. They are exclusive as they should be.

Again... these 'gotcha' moments that keep getting posted are really not showing what the posters actually intend...

And the more we keep pointing this out, hopefully posters will start actually engaging with the topic at hand with some posts that show some evidence for why LGB Alliance is not suitable for running a helpline for LGB young people.

Currently.... the scarcity of that evidence is being clearer and clearer.

LGBTQ+ groups are not anti-anyone, they are fully inclusive as they should be.

I am a GC heterosexual woman I wasn't aware they were inclusive of me. Am I part of the '+'? What campaigning have they done for other women like me? I must have missed it. 🤔

Or perhaps they are not fully inclusive after all but actually exclusive?

I will wait Artichoke, but I suspect it was the well known extreme trans activist that used the female toilets knowing that the conference had adopted the policy of toilets being 'single sex' as their right under the EA2010 and a man who attended the conference saw them and reacted.

I will await also for evidence that that extreme trans activist was in anyway abused outside them being caught as a male using the female single sex toilets clearly marked as female single sex.

Convenient wasn't it that a transitioned male non-member of the LGB Alliance just so happened to make a drama out of using a female single sex toilet that was marked as such at the LGB Alliance conference.

Again... these 'gotcha' moments that keep getting posted are really not showing what the posters actually intend...

When a transwoman attended the LGBA conference last year she was treated appallingly with a man screaming in her face that she shouldn't be there.

If that's true - and at this point I'm honestly past the point of asking for evidence because there never is any - would you like to compare it to how the homosexual people who want to be homosexual without TQ+ dominance, harassment, exclusion and repression have been treated by those acting in the name of TQ+ politics?

The barbed wire wrapped baseball bats for beating them that were so proudly held by males in blood stained t shirts?

The death threats?

The corrective rape threats?

The symbols and threats of lynching?

The throwing out of lesbians from Pride?

Every single women's rights meeting that has dealt with kettling, screaming, hammering on the doors and walls, people in balaclavas controlling access, false reports to the police trying to get them arrested, the 60 year old woman who was punched, the smoke bomb set off near Grenfell towers?

Fgs, your double standards are ridiculous.

I have said the LGBA and other GC groups are anti-trans, which they demonstrate constantly.

And have yet to produce one bit of convincing evidence. It is really worth us repeating this every single time you post this. To be fair, if anyone chose to report some of your posts they would be deleted for the negative generalisations that you keep making.

Like that phrase.

This is a negative generalisation being made and you cannot even say you made it based on supplied evidence as a rhetoric device.

LGBTQ+ groups are not anti-anyone, they are fully inclusive as they should be. It's only LGBA supporters who want the TQ+ removed, most LGB people also support Trans people.

Repeatedly posting this just makes this all seem like propaganda. It is really surreal to see this claimed in light of LGB history.

As do the majority of the general public, according to every poll I've seen.

Yes. This is true. And most posters on MN FWR are supportive of trans people too. We have been telling you this since you first posted on this thread.

'Supporting' trans people does not mean giving them every thing they demand though. That would be causing people great harm in fact.

And it doesn't mean that LGB Alliance are not a suitable organisation to run a LGB helpline for young people.

In fact, LGB Alliance do support trans people who are same sex attracted . We have also told you that but you are so deeply entrenched in your prejudices that you cannot acknowledge this fact nor can you produce evidence to substantiate your prejudiced claims.

How can any LGB group that supports TQ+ not be homophobic?

Try and think about it for a minute @Starlee

I have actually pointed out several times that many trans people are ALSO lgb.

Do you understand yet what the “LGB” in “LGB Alliance” means? You’ve made that point several times, yes, but you (remarkably) still don’t seem to understand that you are talking about a different group of people.

LGBTQ+ groups are not anti-anyone, they are fully inclusive as they should be.

Again, as patiently as I can, NO they are not.

They are inclusive only of homosexuals who accept guidance to not be homosexual when it comes to relationships based on TQ+ politics. The head of Stonewall has said in public interviews, which are evidenced, that homosexuality is like racism. In court only days ago, it was said that homosexuality is like apartheid for having a sexuality that rejects the other sex regardless of their TQ+ identity.

These homosexuals are excluded. This is why those homosexual people like Simon Fanshawe who founded Stonewall have left to start all over again with the LGBA, to escape this oppression and rejection of their homosexuality.

You can keep repeating that these groups are inclusive of homosexuals, that gravity doesn't exist, that there are fairies at the bottom of your garden - it's obviously and evidentially not true .

I have never said that anyone supporting LGB means they are 'anti-trans', most are not, and I have actually pointed out several times that many trans people are ALSO lgb.
I have said the LGBA and other GC groups are anti-trans, which they demonstrate constantly.

LGBTQ+ groups are not anti-anyone, they are fully inclusive as they should be. It's only LGBA supporters who want the TQ+ removed, most LGB people also support Trans people. As do the majority of the general public, according to every poll I've seen.

Remember when Stonewall tweeted that being gay was being same-sex attracted, then had to delete it because they no longer claim that?

Lots of people found that homophobic.

To say there is a 'mismatch' between mind and body, we would first need to know what a 'match' looks like.

Can anyone, ANYONE, say - clearly and unambiguously - which types of mind match which sex?

Starlee has now ignored this question several times, despite being the one to claim there are 'matches' and 'mismatches'.

Yet they tell me to 'go and learn from trans people'. But those that post here are similarly unable to answer that question.

Do they not know, or do they not want to say for some reason?

"Nobody should ever be pressured into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren't attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions."

@Starlee Who said this. LGB Alliance or Stonewall?

I have yet to see any homophobic content from Stonewall and other LGBTQ+ groups, they have always been and remain fully inclusive.

This is not true.

It is factually, in reality, not true.