Waitrose delivery driver

Youve interjected yourself into a long running conversation that you have not the faintest clue about.

Wow. Arrogant much? Roses was one of the first posters on this thread. You don't own the thread or patrol who posts on it.

What difference does that make?? Is this really just about having a go at Kellie Jay and her veracity?? Did it happen like this? Did he say it like that? Who started it?

Is it personal about her?

Because the point is the entire ideology advocates for the violation of women and girls boundaries on the basis that sex doesn't matter and they should not be segregated by it. Their sports prizes and scholarships, their places on short lists, their toilets and changing rooms, the very words used to describe them.

This is what you are defending. Trying get out of it by speculating on who said what, when is completely irrelevant.

He made it absolutely clear that he is an advocate for violating women's boundaries.

Kellie Jay made it absolutely clear that that is entirely unacceptable. And you're concerned that she didn't adhere to the actual ideology she is campaigning against, while in the process of telling him so!

Did you watch Ricky Gervais? The highest post paid, most popular comedian in the land turned the very thing you're complaining about into a joke.

That's how ridiculous it is.

You're defending the indefensible. And fondly imagining that you're standing on some high ground while you're doing it.

Sadly there are a few police forces that don't seem to know that!

@Discovereads obviously!

Good grief! How bloody rude can you get?

Just a reminder: there’s no offence (AFAIK) of “misgendering” - this wasn’t even a WORD until fairly recently. so if someone has a penis it’s fair enough, in many, many circumstances to call them a man.

@Discovereads if you don't like my posts then report them for whatever guideline you feel they breech.

Erm. That's exactly what I said happened. Transwomen are men. That is her position, that is the truth.

But that is her position. That adult human males are men. That "woman" is not a category that can be identified into by those born male. That just because this person says they are a woman doesn't make it so. She wasn't rude or hostile in her choice of words in response to his claim. Just disagreed with him. Which of course women are not allowed to do.

Youve interjected yourself into a long running conversation that you have not the faintest clue about.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist

“So I had this Waitrose delivery, and then he said “oh what is that?” and I said “oh well I run a campaign defending women’s rights, um, women’s spaces - spaces just for women and girls” and he said “oh that means transwomen are women as well, right?” and I said “well, no, transwomen are men” and they said “oh no, definitely not.” I said “oh 100 ?percent?” Um, and he said “well I’m not, I’m not a man” and I said “well I would probably say you were” um “and I’m just going to say to you, like I say to every uh person that I encounter who calls himself a woman - please don’t use women’s spaces…”

I’m not obfuscating. It’s in the transcript (above) that the delivery driver said they not a man and KJK then immediately calls them a man. She wasn’t merely “stating her position”

I don’t think that it’s a hate crime. You people and your hyperbole.

I think you'll find it wasn't "us people" who lobbied to make misgendering a hate crime. A none criminal crime for which a number of men and women have been harangued, questioned under caution, taken to court, lost jobs for.

At least know what it is you are defending.

It doesn't bloody matter if she was rude or "disrespectful". Seriously? All this because you want women who disagree with you be polite and respectful, according to your judgement?

Yes, however it’s interesting this alleged thing that delivery man is supposed to have said doesn’t appear in her initial account of their spat. It only appears later when she’s dictating her response letter to Waitrose.

No. That is nothing like what I said. What I am saying is that at first there was no assumption about anything. Not that there was a mistake just that she says she didn't think anything at all.

Then the delivery driver begins the conversation, states that the dictionary definition of women on the poster includes transwomen and KJK states her position, as made clear by the posters noted. Transwomen are men, male bodied.

I am not the one trying to obfuscate that.

And again, what you are defending is a man who says he likes being in changing rooms with her daughter, making it plain he feels just fine overstepping her rights, her feelings, those of her daughter. To her face, on her property, in a conversation he initiated.

I don’t think that it’s a hate crime. You people and your hyperbole. I stated KJK was being rude and disrespectful.

Just a reminder

he said he liked using the spaces my teenage daughter uses, including changing rooms and toilets

Here's a transcript of the relevant part:

So I had this Waitrose delivery, and then he said “oh what is that?” and I said “oh well I run a campaign defending women’s rights, um, women’s spaces - spaces just for women and girls” and he said “oh that means transwomen are women as well, right?” and I said “well, no, transwomen are men” and they said “oh no, definitely not.” I said “oh 100 ?percent?” Um, and he said “well I’m not, I’m not a man” and I said “well I would probably say you were” um “and I’m just going to say to you, like I say to every uh person that I encounter who calls himself a woman - please don’t use women’s spaces…”

This extract is after the preamble where KJ explains that she initially perceived a male with long hair, it wasn't till later that she read the name tag and saw a typically female name.

If you think that's somehow an actionable set of statements, that it's some kind of hate crime or hate incident, that it's something very serious and very much more than a disagreement then you are massively over stepping what is reasonable.

Women are not required to believe that men are women simply because they state that's the case. If asked about it, women are able to explain their position and explain that they disagree.

Your definition of horseshit is radically different to mine, then.
But then most of what you say simply doesn't resonate with me in any way, so... 🤷🏻‍♀️

🤣 Smarts doesn't it !

@Datun
”You are now having to defend the position of a male who is intimidating a mother and assuring her that he will be enjoying violating her daughter's boundaries. His has complete confidence in telling her that. To her face, on her own property. Where her daughter could easily be, or overhear. This is the ideology you defend.”

Im doing no such thing because most of the above is horseshit.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist
The rest of your post is misleading. Yes KJK when she first saw the delivery driver she did not know she was a transwoman. True.

But the way you wrote that in response to my saying that KJK misgendered her and called her a man, you implied that it was completely accidental and you started to talk about men look like men, and so on. You were implying that KJK couldn’t have known the delivery driver was a transwoman when KJK misgendered her and called her a man. That it was simply a situation of mistaken identity.

This is deceiving. That’s not what happened, even according to KJK. In the video it is very clear from what KJK recounts that the delivery driver mentioned transwomen and stated definitively to KJK that she was not a man all before KJK deliberately misgenders her and calls her a man.

Yes I agree the video is there for all to listen to themselves. Thank goodness for that.

Kellie Jay campaigns on correctly identifying the male sex. Women have to do this because some males are trying to take spaces and awards from females on the basis that sex doesn't matter.

No-one is under an obligation to adhere to their demands. No-one.

You are now having to defend the position of a male who is intimidating a mother and assuring her that he will be enjoying violating her daughter's boundaries. His has complete confidence in telling her that. To her face, on her own property. Where her daughter could easily be, or overhear. This is the ideology you defend.

What he said is the precise reason why Kellie Jay has the AHF campaign in the first place. His remarks and intimidation tactics proved her point and the need for her campaign, over and over.

And your main complaint is that she wouldn't adhere to the ideology that she specifically campaigns against!

How have you allowed yourself to depart from reality and normality so much Discovereads?

If the only way you (generic you) can make people agree to transgenderism is by force or by arguing them into the ground, it tells you everything you need to know.

Or it should.

And it didn't go unnoticed that you didn't engage with the rest of my post.

Your pony seems only have one trick today!

Listen to it yourself, with honest ears.

Quite early on KJK says very clearly that she didn't immediately think anything of it. Just a man with long hair. She didn't immediately see the name badge. That was before anything else was recounted.

You can repeat whatever version of events you like. The video is there, anyone can check and see just how much you are wriggling and changing or ignoring things to suit your own narrative.