Waitrose delivery driver

deliberately misgendering a trans person is not only rude but a hate crime in Canada

Correctly sexing somebody is not rude.

I find their vegan range pretty poor, and find Sainsburys better.
No more Waitrose for me unless they apologise to KJK.
The comments about using toilets with her daughter, and refusing to leave when asked (he said I'll take my time) are disgusting from someone providing a service.

Oh no, I've just found some amazing smelling cleaning products that Waitrose sell.... never mind will have to go elsewhere now.

Waitrose/John Lewis have form in this, though. Remember the home insurance ad, that they had to pull, it got so much criticism ? (as well as actually misrepresenting the cover offered).

I agree with you.

I also note that Scotland was very close to implementing something like this to the point where wrongthink at your own dinner table would have been reportable as part of the Hate Crime Bill there.

Depending on the outcome of the current consultation in Scotland, we may yet see crimes that are local to Scotland that have ripples and consequences throughout England, Wales, NI, and various other bits of land.

You'd have to be astonishingly naive or a lying trans activist not to see this as a set up on the part of the driver.

He went there for a fight.

Well, she goes on a bit, mainly about her own products, but I am cancelling my Waitrose order as we speak and composing an email explaining to them why.
I am particularly disturbed by 'I'll take my time.' Absolutely exercising power.

Given KJK lives in England, where so-called "misgendering" has no relevance in any law or in any other sphere of anyone's life, what happens in Canada is irrelevant.

Except as a cautionary tale as to why we need to be standing our ground and not letting this stuff get any further.

The delivery driver needs training. Like pps have said, it's inappropriate and unprofessional for the driver to question belief on the doorstep with a customer, same with the many people who have a cross or other religious symbol in full view.

In this country GC so called 'beliefs' are worthy of respect in a democratic society anyway.

I am no fan of KJK, but this is frightening. If I was in her place I would be traumatized and not want any service men in my home.

@Discovereads "btw deliberately misgendering a trans person is not only rude but a hate crime in Canada"

Given KJK lives in England, where so-called "misgendering" has no relevance in any law or in any other sphere of anyone's life, what happens in Canada is irrelevant.

Ah yes. I'm glad more than one of us has spotted this and taken issue. I had just listened to the video and with it being fresh in mind, it leapt out at me that someone was taking liberties and how misleading it is.

Discovereads

If I was a delivery driver and went to house displaying a trans pride flag would you think it was OK for me, as someone with GC beliefs, to start a conversation about the flag and why I think gender ideology is harmful. Would it be reasonable for me to tell the householder, "I'll take my time" after I'd been confrontational enough for them to ask me to leave?

KJK was far more patient than I would have been. If you're employed to deliver groceries then you should do just that. I'll make small talk and treat you with respect as a matter of habit and good manners but if you try to start an argument with me on my own doorstep then you'll be told to fuck off pretty quickly.

Jesus, Waitrose can get to fuck . That's my order cancelled.

And that's how it should be.
This one was different.

Tell us you're male without telling us you're male: 'I'll take my time'. Physically aggressive. The rest is irrelevant.

I've had numerous Waitrose deliveries. None of their drivers have ever commented on on my political beliefs, my clothing or anything else of a personal nature.

All my drivers (from 4 different supermarkets since lockdown, none of which is Waitrose) talk about the weather or international football or the road conditions or how busy the job is that day. They do the delivery politely & helpfully, & then they leave, whether it's me or my husband who answers the door. There's a decorative poster about a certain country in full view of the front doorstep, which might have been controversial at one stage: not one driver ever mentioned it.

Perhaps Waitrose need to train their staff up to the level that other supermarkets do?

I have seen KJK confront TRAs on a number of occasions and she has never resorted to personal attacks. She doesn't need to.

Yes, I've noticed that she doesn't swear. I don't know if she doesn't swear in real life, but she makes a point of not doing so publicly.

If this person was trans, them asking Posie what was on her T-shirt was, of course, going to be goady.

Her answer was what her answer always is. TWANW. And, for the poster upthread who doesn't get it, she is within her extremely hard fought for legal right to say so.

Perhaps the driver had not encountered a woman who doesn't give a flying fuck before.

Either way, it's completely inappropriate to attempt to engage her on a political viewpoint with which he clearly disagrees.

And deliberately intimidating her by saying he would leave in his own time, is completely unacceptable.

For anyone reading this who hasn't listened to the video, the above post is not verbatim and isn't an accurate account in that it put in bits, left out bits and moved some about, creating a faulty rendering of who said what when and a false impression of what happened, ending with accusations against Kelly Jay Keen which aren't reflective of the actual encounter.

@StopStartStop My apologies if I have misunderstood the timeline... my impression was that Posie had just got the letter and had just written back and that Waitrose could / should respond to the counter-complaint within a week or two.... not least as Waitrose are presumably getting a fair few email with random people saying "what are you doing about your staff member who gets into political arguments and tries to bully customers?"

It's just about acceptable for the driver to have commented on the signs along the lines of "what's all that about then" and then had some common sense to change topics or make non committal responses once they realised it was political and that they were of an opposing opinion. In this case though it seems likely that the driver knew what the signs meant, or suspected, and chose to engage in a discussion regardless. And then chose to continue a disagreement rather than back off and just do their job.

But they were aware of the incident from 9 May.
They've had almost a month to 'investigate'.

They certainly had no right to write to KJK in the way they did.