Waitrose delivery driver

Thanks for reminding me to follow up my complaint to Waitrose. I knwo tat I was not directly involved, but if what KJK says is true - and I have no reason to doubt her - Waitrose need to take action against this entitled inappropriate (at best), threatening and potentially violent man. He should not be alone with customers, if indeed he should be employed at all.

Oh, piffle

Vandalism 1 : Inclusivity 0

Gender Critics 1 : Waitrose 0

Might pop into Waitrose tomorrow ;)

Absolutely complain. That's simply unacceptable.

Ha! yes, that's true!

I would complain if I were you @SpringBadger, their behaviour was sexist, misogynistic and completely unacceptable for their job. The gentle leering is just repulsive, no woman should be subjected to that when having groceries or anything else delivered, friendly, passing the time of day chat is one thing, what these two were doing is something else entirely.

Ps I'm of that generation too, I'm in my 50s. I've had many years to perfect my "oh really? Wanna repeat that?" face.

The way I interpret behaviour like this is it's dehumanising. Immature, irrelevant (who gives a toss about what a delivery driver thinks of your appearance? Yet they felt you ought to know...why?). Different shit from original post, but also the same shit. Men behaving badly. I am so fucking tired of it.

Argh, posted too soon! Was going to say: thank you, yes I did consider making a complaint. It was more weird than anything (which can obviously be a threatening thing in itself) - like I'd travelled back in time to the 1970s or something. The main guy was of that generation, but even so! You're right to say not to minimise it - I suppose at the same time I don't want to exaggerate its significance either, but it really brought home the physical power dynamic between men and women. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed - the man would just laugh or feel flattered. That's why some men just refuse to get this.

Oops double negative. Made you unable to feel it was safe, that should read.

@Belovedfool

Ps stop minimising it. Their behaviour made you unable to feel it wasn't safe letting them into your home. You did part of their job for them. Stop bloody minimising it.

I'd email a complaint if a delivery driver was behaving inappropriately. You won't need their names, just the store details and your delivery time - they'll be able to match them on the system. I'm done tolerating shitty behaviour. If it means they'd lose their jobs, that's their own damned fault.

I thought of this thread again today when I had a grocery delivery. I opened the door to two grinning blokes, who told me they had been making guesses about what "all the ladies" on their round would look like, and described how they had pictured me and how I matched up. As I didn't feel inclined to let them in (being home alone), I just unloaded the boxes on the doorstep, while they did a bit of gentle leering and made mildly flirtatious comments. It was obviously a minor incident but it brought home how vulnerable a woman can feel when opening the door to a cocky delivery driver (or two) who makes personal remarks.

She has an unusual name too (I mean KJK not PP), so it's going to be clear upon seeing the delivery list that it's her.

I'm slowly working my way through this thread but the idea that anyone engaged in trans ideology would be completely unaware of the slogan Woman: Adult Human Female or who KJK is, or what she looks like is utterly laughable.

If lesser public facing feminists such as Julie Bindel and Kathleen Stock are recognisable in the street by the average TRA, I would bet my house that someone who is frequently on telly and who has such a distinctive look would have in no way escaped TRA knowledge.

Ah! Cannonfodder.

There is a term, two words first starts with a U, second with an I. They are the ones wheeled out to face the flak and ditched the minute they've served their purpose.

An ally isn't necessarily an activist, they're just an ally.

@toastfairy thank you.

Well shite, no holy grail.
Such a shock I tell ya. Really was rooting for a useable definition.

Just for loiterers and the interested, we all knew no such definition was coming.
And more, it's hardly derailing (more like merailing) a thread about a subject to then go on to a very very similar subject.
If you hang around here long enough, loads of threads go well off piste. We are famous for brilliant recipes here on fwr. I mean we are banned from doing that any more, but there are other sections.

If we had asked last night for a volunteer on this thread to give me a personal explanation of the functioning of the internal combustion engine, the processes performed by the human pancreas, or the lifecycle and behaviour of the small tortoiseshell butterfly, we'd have been given it by now. The minds of the mumsnet collective cover all subjects between them!

It's just gender identity that we get tumbleweed on...

Seconded, excellent post @BoredofthisCrap7 agree with everything you said and you say it well.

Great post @BoredofthisCrap7