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Fionne Orlander has had genital surgery

115 replies

Pluvia · 08/06/2022 11:24

On the NHS at an expensive London clinic.

twitter.com/FionneOrlander/status/1534471741531115520

I've appreciated and followed him on Twitter for years and know how bad the dysphoria is and yet my heart sinks that even someone as thoughtful and articulate as him thinks that this will solve anything.

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NecessaryScene · 08/06/2022 13:05

Didn't JKR promise Fionne and some others on Twitter some drinks, post-Covid?

Ah, yes, here it is:

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1266860609934700544

I think Fionne probably deserves it by now! If Fionne's too polite to remind JKR, maybe someone else can give her a prod.

(Or has this already taken place, on the quiet?)

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/06/2022 12:38

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/06/2022 11:28

Oh, Fionne.

He was trying to fundraise for this a while ago, maybe pre-lockdown? I hope it works for him, I hope he finds peace with his body and that eases his distress, I really do hope that for him.

Despite which, I'm sad to read this.

This was done on the NHS. Funding was for facial feminisation and remains untouched, waiting.

I am of mixed mind on that but wish Fionne well, hopefully it will be what she wants and will make a real difference in the long term.

Rainbowshit · 08/06/2022 12:21

Wishing you well Fionne. X

donquixotedelamancha · 08/06/2022 12:16

I've appreciated and followed him on Twitter for years and know how bad the dysphoria is and yet my heart sinks that even someone as thoughtful and articulate as him thinks that this will solve anything.

I have a trans family member. She does seem much happier after many years of passing and surgery.

I wish the same could have been achieved with her accepting herself as a gay man but I'm pleased she's found happiness after a very difficult childhood. That is not remotely the same as wanting trans elimination no matter how much Owen Jones thinks it is.

Fionne has made her choice and we should respect that. I think we need to be careful that are criticism of the way transition often works is structural, not personalised.

picklemewalnuts · 08/06/2022 12:11

Adding my best wishes, in case Fionne sees them. I do hope he finds peace.

RocketAndAFuckingMelon · 08/06/2022 12:08

I know a few people for whom this has brought enormous peace and mental wellbeing, and I hope it works that way for Fionne.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/06/2022 12:05

Yes it really was flibberty

i did say for her not to reply to my question if it was too intrusive but she did

PeterPomegranate · 08/06/2022 11:50

GRS is a recognised treatment. I wouldn’t begrudge any adult who’d been through the hoops there must be to get this treatment on the NHS. Of course I’d rather no one needed the surgery (or any surgery I suppose) but I very much hope for a successful outcome for Fionne.

FlibbertyGiblets · 08/06/2022 11:39

Best wishes for healing and recovery, Fionne.

Rufus I know of whom you speak, in fact I thought of her but recently. That was kind, to reassure you about your young trans person's plan(s).

NecessaryScene · 08/06/2022 11:39

I'm not sure how "informed" you can ever be about this sort of life-changing thing, but Fionne is going to have to have gone into it as clear-headed as anyone ever could, I think.

And as an adult, if people want to perform not-totally-impairing body modifications, and are informed of the risks as best we can, then I don't think we can deny them, even if we don't pay for them. (Although I think I might have actually donated to Fionne for this a while back - I don't recall if I did or not).

But the problem is that many people seeming to head into this do not seem to be as clear-headed as Fionne, and are not having hard truths put to them sufficiently. Particularly children.

We might permit all sorts of adult things, but we don't have to be promoting them in schools and putting children on a path to them - smoking, tattoos, breast implants, and certainly genital reconstruction.

Anyway, good luck, Fionne.

Fenlandia · 08/06/2022 11:38

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/06/2022 11:28

Oh, Fionne.

He was trying to fundraise for this a while ago, maybe pre-lockdown? I hope it works for him, I hope he finds peace with his body and that eases his distress, I really do hope that for him.

Despite which, I'm sad to read this.

I agree with every word you said. I appreciate that Fionne doesn't go in for the "glitter and unicorns" style of talking about GRS or gender dysphoria in general. I wish them well

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/06/2022 11:34

Fionne's been a good ally to women and children and I wish her well.

MagnoliaTaint · 08/06/2022 11:34

Sending my best wishes to Fionne for a swift recovery. Not on Twitter, or I'd send directly! Hope he's healing up and glad he found a friendly squirrel for company.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/06/2022 11:29

Years agi I pm’ed a transwoman who posted regularly, the regulars will probably know who i mean

i was very worried about a young trans person that i knew

i asked was she happy following the genital operation, did it ‘work’ and help with the dysphoria and apparently it did, she was much happier

i think that for a small minority of people surgery can make them feel better, i stress the ‘small minority’ bit

i hope it works for Fionne

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/06/2022 11:28

Oh, Fionne.

He was trying to fundraise for this a while ago, maybe pre-lockdown? I hope it works for him, I hope he finds peace with his body and that eases his distress, I really do hope that for him.

Despite which, I'm sad to read this.