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Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian

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TheBiologyStupid · 06/06/2022 16:04

Christina Ellingsen, a Norwegian representative of Women’s Declaration International (formerly the Women's Human Rights Campaign) is being investigated for allegedly "hateful" tweets about a male who identifies as a lesbian woman.

Ellingsen faces up to three years in prison.

www.womensdeclaration.com/en/news/

reduxx.info/norwegian-feminist-facing-up-to-three-year-prison-sentence-over-tweets/

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Ramblingnamechanger · 14/12/2022 12:49

We will continue to say that men / males cannot be lesbians. Glad Christina’s case has been dropped but shocking to see another…a bit like what happened to various women in Uk at the hands of various men.

ArabellaScott · 13/12/2022 21:59

Glad to hear Christina's case has been dropped - but awful to hear there's another one!

Women-hatred is universal ...

DaSilvaP · 13/12/2022 21:32

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:22

Jentoft is a real danger to society. He says he is a woman because that is what he thinks in his head. And that is the only definition of what a woman is: anyone who thinks or feel that they are women.
Not sure if he means that to think and to feel is the same thing.

He is one of the staff who runs Fri, which is the equivalent to both Stonewall and Mermaids. They are well dodgy and creepy, and embedded in Pride Oslo amongst others.
They also advice schools.
Jentoft says he is a lesbian, and that he is the/a mother of the child he fathered when he was around 20 yrs.

Maybe Ellingsen is unpleasant, but she has not said anything factually incorrect.

People who support FRI have told me in FB-discussions that people actually do physically change sex just on accord of how they think about themselves in their own heads. It is a feeling and it frees their true sex from its prison in the wrong body, apparently.

Interesting: "because that is what he thinks in his head" and "people actually do physically change sex just on accord of how they think about themselves in their own heads"

So "freeing yourself from sanity and inconvenient facts" is a new definition for "wishful thinking" (or in legacy plain-speak: lunacy)?

How long will self-declared "male lesbians" be allowed to enjoy their insanity at the expense of 99.9 % of the society?

Timezones · 13/12/2022 19:17

So this is how easy it is to change legal gender in Norway:

"Section 4. Change of legal gender of children
Children who have reached the age of 16 can apply for a change of legal gender themselves.
Children between the ages of 6 and 16 must apply for a change of legal gender together with the person or persons who have parental responsibility for the child. If the parents have joint custody, but the application is submitted together with only one of them, the legal gender can still be changed if this is in the best interests of the child.
Applications for a change of legal gender for children under the age of 6 are submitted by the person or persons who have parental responsibility for the child. Children who are able to form their own views on the matter must be informed and given the opportunity to express their views before the application is submitted. It is a condition for change that the child has a congenitally uncertain somatic sex development. The applicant must submit documentation of the condition from a healthcare professional."

TheBiologyStupid · 13/12/2022 17:25

Yes, Norway is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

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Thelnebriati · 13/12/2022 16:11

Are they just involved with the EU economically?

TheBiologyStupid · 13/12/2022 15:57

Norway isn't a member of the EU.

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Thelnebriati · 13/12/2022 15:32

Doesn't the EU have standardised equality legislation that includes protection against discrimination for gay people?

Bestcatmum · 13/12/2022 15:31

What the heck is a male lesbian. It makes zero sense.

WinterBlanket2022 · 13/12/2022 15:21

Amnesty International? Why am I not surprised. I cancelled my membership last year after being a loyal member for god knows how long.

We all know how difficult it is to get convictions for sexual violence. Yet a woman misgendering is facing 3 years?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/12/2022 15:08

Fantastic.

Thought they might drop it due the the backlash that would occur if they went through with actually putting a woman in prison for not pretending a man is a woman.

Just seen this on Twitter though. Another one.

Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian
Christina Ellingsen, WDI Norway, faces up to three years in prison for "hateful" tweets about a male lesbian
TheBiologyStupid · 13/12/2022 13:55

Fantastic news, thanks Fenlandia!

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Fenlandia · 13/12/2022 13:49

Some better news from this morning - Christina is saying the case against her has been dropped, after 8 months!

twitter.com/_cellingsen/status/1602645237024919557

If you see this thread, Christina, I'm so relieved for you but sorry you've been put through hell by the process.

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:41

Sorry, wall of text from subjekt.no coming here. The tweets are highlighted (I hope)

*Politianmeldelsen handler derimot om flere og mer personrettede kommentarer enn som så. Subjekt har avdekket hvilke ytringer det gjelder, og kan forstå hvorfor flere mistenker ytringene for å være hatefulle. Dette fordi at ytringene retter seg mot en bestemt person, Christine Marie Jentoft, og personens kjønnsidentitet.

«Jentoft er hankjønn og rådgiver i foreningen Fri og presenterer seg som lesbisk. Så høl i huet er den organisasjonen som liksom skal ivareta lesbiskes interesse», skriver blant annet Christina Ellingsen om transkvinnen som har politianmeldt henne.

Dette må Jentoft, som tross alt aktivt deltar i samfunnsdebatten, bare tåle.

Men Ellingsen skriver også dette:

«Herregud, mann. Er du sikker på at du var compos mentis da du ga informert samtykke til de medisinske eksperimentene du har deltatt i? Virker som om du har litt vanskeligheter med å ta inn informasjon. Hvis du trodde det var mulig å bytte kjønn kan du ha rett på erstatning.»

Og dette:

«Det virker som om du kan ha krav på millioner i pasientskadeerstatning».

Og dette:

«Ha ha ha – du trur ikke selv du er kvinne, du er heldigvis såpass smart at du vet folk snakker deg etter munnen. Du er like mye mann som andre menn».

Les også: Jurist mener Ellingsens ytringer er langt innenfor ytringsfriheten

Burde ikke være ulovlig

Ytringene alene fremstår som stygge og helt usaklige. De virker også å være i grenseland for hva som er lov å ytre.

Loven nevner spesifikt kjønnsidentitet. Således kan man si at transpersoner har særskilt beskyttelse i hatytringsparagrafen, og det finnes gode argumenter for dette. Transpersoner har blitt utsatt for hatkriminalitet, drap og fordømmelse over hele verden, og Subjekt er uenig med enkelte ytringsfrihetsforkjempere som mener at hatytringsparagrafen burde fjernes for ytringsfrihetens del. Det er nemlig fullt mulig å skille mellom kritikk og regelrett hat, slik det er fullt mulig å drive med religionskritikk uten å være islamofob. Og det er fullt mulig å diskutere transseksualitet, uten å gå til personangrep.

I alle fall juridisk*

I’ll try to translate the tweets:

  1. Jentoft is male and an advisor in the FRI society and presents himself as a lesbian. That’s how crazy an organisation which is supposed to look after lesbians’ interests is.
  2. Good god man! Are you sure you were compos mentis when you gave informed consent to the medical experiments you have participated in? Seems you have difficulties processing information. If you thought it was possible to change sex you may be eligible for an reimbursment.
  3. It seems you may be eligible for millions in patient damages.
  4. Ha ha ha - you don’t really think you are a woman yourself, you are luckily smart enough to know when people are just parroting what you are saying. You are just as much a man as other men.

maybe there are more tweets too, but these are what a quick search found. I guess her «Tone» is slightly ruder in Norwegian, but she doesn’t call him names or state anything that is untrue as such.

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:25

www.feministcurrent.com/2022/07/22/christina-ellingsen-is-facing-prison-time-for-saying-that-men-cant-be-women/

here’s a link to the case (English).
I’m not on Twitter but will see what I can find

turbonerd · 04/10/2022 23:22

Jentoft is a real danger to society. He says he is a woman because that is what he thinks in his head. And that is the only definition of what a woman is: anyone who thinks or feel that they are women.
Not sure if he means that to think and to feel is the same thing.

He is one of the staff who runs Fri, which is the equivalent to both Stonewall and Mermaids. They are well dodgy and creepy, and embedded in Pride Oslo amongst others.
They also advice schools.
Jentoft says he is a lesbian, and that he is the/a mother of the child he fathered when he was around 20 yrs.

Maybe Ellingsen is unpleasant, but she has not said anything factually incorrect.

People who support FRI have told me in FB-discussions that people actually do physically change sex just on accord of how they think about themselves in their own heads. It is a feeling and it frees their true sex from its prison in the wrong body, apparently.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/10/2022 14:13

Let's not forget that Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for allegedly malicious tweets, though the conviction was overturned on appeal.

The fact that the appeal court overturned that should mean that the police shouldn't waste time persecuting people for wrongthink. It's not illegal to be rude or insult people.

Abhannmor · 04/10/2022 11:34

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

As Woody Guthrie sang - ' all you fascists are bound to lose'.

Any crowd funder for Christina ?

RoyalCorgi · 04/10/2022 10:40

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

They are indeed. Sending your political opponents to jail on a flimsy pretext is one of the hallmarks of fascism.

Let's not forget that Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for allegedly malicious tweets, though the conviction was overturned on appeal. We have a long hard fight ahead of us.

TheBiologyStupid · 04/10/2022 10:22

catandcoffee · 04/10/2022 10:04

Well you'd think so wouldn't you.

All those horrible Women upsetting men with the truth.
🙄

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catandcoffee · 04/10/2022 10:04

JanieAllen · 03/10/2022 11:41

BTW telling men that they aren't women isn't rude its facts

Well you'd think so wouldn't you.

All those horrible Women upsetting men with the truth.
🙄

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 09:55

Just reading this and the Caroline Farrow thread. This seems to be an ongoing TRA tactic to have women locked up for thoughtcrime.

They are fucking fascists.

TheKeatingFive · 04/10/2022 09:47

So what are these tweets then?

poorbuthappy · 04/10/2022 09:40

Why are people so surprised when we ask for evidence?

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2022 09:36

'potty mouth' is justification for jailing someone in Norway now? Oh, fuck.

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