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What made you change your mind?

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JellySaurus · 06/06/2022 11:24

There have been many discussions on MN with supporters of trans ideology. For thoughtful, engaged posters, the main sticking points appear to be TWAW and Tw are at greater danger/risk of suicide. Posters appear to be deeply committed to these beliefs regardless of the lack of supporting evidence.

It seems to me that there is a parallel here with people deeply committed to religious beliefs, such as life after death. Beliefs that inform their conduct and without which they cannot consider themselves to be ‘good people’.

We used to describe the process of becoming gender critical in mountaineering terms (now banned) but for some people is this perhaps more of a conversion? From believer to atheist.

Is this meaningful to you? In terms of a change in your beliefs, what made you change your mind?

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PronounssheRa · 06/06/2022 11:29

I was never full on TWAW, more live and let live.

What changed my mind, was Lily Madigan and the treatment of Ann Ruzylo.

Triffid1 · 06/06/2022 11:27

Are you asking what made me become gender critical and not buy into TWAW? Your OP is a bit unclear. But if you are, it was 2 things:

  1. Transwomen in women's sport. So blatantly unfair.
  2. The realisation that the transwomen I was supporting where the ones I saw on TV - often who'd had surgery etc etc but that sadly, the whole process of self ID meant that there were many many many men who wanted to self-id purely as a way to live out their own fetishes and fantasies.
I still have enormous sympathy for transpeople. But being asked to accept Self ID, and then accept men into women's spaces, has made me extremely uncomfortable.
tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 11:25

Never changed it. I’ve always believed what I believe now.