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Companies changing their logo background

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OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 06/06/2022 09:44

If a company has the new pride flag as their background do you think that it means they subscribe to the erasure of women?

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TheBiologyStupid · 08/06/2022 11:16

Spot finds a fire hydrant
😂

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 11:00

I have just had an enthusiastic saleswomen trying to get me to buy more stuff - ooooooh and if we place an order during Pride Month (month??) we will be put into a draw to win a package of Pride themed books for the kiddies!!!!!

No thanks lady. I’ve seen the books.

For the love of god what happened to ‘Spot finds a fire hydrant’???

Artichokeleaves · 08/06/2022 09:18

roarfeckingroarr · 07/06/2022 22:42

I work for a huge company, very well known. They changed their logo today. It happened because someone in internal comms said "shit loads of companies are doing it, we shouldn't miss a trick". There was zero thought.

Yup.

It's this year's 'we should all do the Gangnam style dance on a video cos cool/everyonez doin it' .

And it will move on to being a deeply embarrassing thing in 3....2....1......

Except this isn't just deeply embarrassing, it's holding up a political flag of affiliation to deeply deeply troubling and extremist beliefs that involve confirming alliance in prejudice against homosexuals and women for a start.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 08:44

I tend to swerve those with the new and the new new version and give those with the original a little benefit of the doubt.

Oxfam is hacking me off though with their silly poster on the window (and I have to pass it several times a day) So the pronounies are welcome (remember that when you pop on to buy a second hand fancy frock) but no mention of women and kids abused by staff and the banning of that game that had ‘women’ listed because they were all women.

They can get stuffed.

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 03:57

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 18:27

You should email HR 9n Stonewall website it says they are leaving intersex alone after being asked. See glossary www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

I'm not in the UK, here in Canada and the US, intersex is still always included. No one seems to have any awareness that there is any controversy. In a lot of places here the main activists organizations are the different Pride groups, and they are actually more far gone than SW for the most part.

roarfeckingroarr · 07/06/2022 22:42

I work for a huge company, very well known. They changed their logo today. It happened because someone in internal comms said "shit loads of companies are doing it, we shouldn't miss a trick". There was zero thought.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 22:40

Thanks for the link. The real rainbow flag.

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Artichokeleaves · 07/06/2022 21:58

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

All of that. Thank you for the link.

TheBiologyStupid · 07/06/2022 21:37

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

It is indeed - thanks, Kitty!

CrossPurposes · 07/06/2022 21:25

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

That is something else. Thanks for the link!

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

SoManyQuestionsHere · 07/06/2022 19:07

Nah, it only means that it takes a pro graphics designer a few seconds to re-colour a graphic in a rainbow gradient, that consumers like corporate virtue signalling (shown by research), and that this is far easier and cost-effective to achieve than any more meaningful diversity initiative. Zoomers also like it, and we all want to hire them as they graduate.

It's good value for money, it's as simple as that!

Yes, I'm that cynical. I'm a management consultant. It's, literally, part of my job to come up with such "quick wins".

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 18:27

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 13:16

OMG, that flag!

There is something that is so, so weird about the proliferation of flags. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it reminds me of something.

My workplace now has a large string of all the flags in the window, including the intersex flag. I am so tempted to ell my boss that intersex people don't want to be part of the +++ groups.

You should email HR 9n Stonewall website it says they are leaving intersex alone after being asked. See glossary www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

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Artichokeleaves · 07/06/2022 16:49

Ukraine has been appropriated into LGBT+ now???

I swear there are people who think 'oooh they're getting attention, appropriate them! Assimilate them!' And cannot bear anyone or anything be centred unless they're 'included' in it.

I'm gay. I fought for section 28. I see the gay/pride/whatevertheheckisfashionablethisweek flag and cringe. It's nowt to do with me. It largely now represents very, very, very large egos.

KittenKong · 07/06/2022 16:40

Almost as grrrrr as Ozfams new window posters - on sreipws

This shop
Is for
he
she
they
them
Cuthbert
dribble
grub…

kust as toy thought they may have decided to clean up their act and keep out of politics (and sad scandals)

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 13:16

OMG, that flag!

There is something that is so, so weird about the proliferation of flags. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it reminds me of something.

My workplace now has a large string of all the flags in the window, including the intersex flag. I am so tempted to ell my boss that intersex people don't want to be part of the +++ groups.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/06/2022 08:41

No need to throw out your Ukrainian flags when you can just be even more inclusive, like the Dublin Pride Festival is.

Lol.

334bu · 07/06/2022 08:39

Fifa have just put out a statement celebrating Pride and talk about how the World Cup in Qatar will be the most inclusive and equal World Cup ever!

What an example of a " contradiction in terms"

Wanderingowl · 07/06/2022 08:35

MagpiePi · 07/06/2022 08:22

@Terfydactyl

I read it as, supporting Ukraine was the trendy thing to do but this has been kicked out in favour of pride.
Nobody still has BLM logos or We are Charlie Hebdo slogans.

No need to throw out your Ukrainian flags when you can just be even more inclusive, like the Dublin Pride Festival is.

And yes, that's actually real. I swear, every year I joke I need to invest in flag companies and this year I'm actually starting to regret not actually doing so!
dublinpride.ie/pride-2022/

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ErrolTheDragon · 07/06/2022 08:32

I might email HR and ask if they will be supporting any other charities or causes in this way.

Perhaps particularly those supporting diversity in the workplace - eg those helping people with various disabilities?

MagpiePi · 07/06/2022 08:26

The company I work for has a rainbow logo for June and has booked or sponsored (or something) 50 places at this year's London pride march. I wonder if it is something they do to get Stonewall bonus points as I know they were SW champions but am not sure if they still are or are just keeping it quiet.

I might email HR and ask if they will be supporting any other charities or causes in this way.

WolverineBluey · 07/06/2022 08:26

A relief it's not just me with the Lego and interesting to hear pp's points. They are not political in any other way, so it stands out.

Something like their Pride set could be a general conversation starter with small DCs I suppose, but an unavoidable video called 'A-Z of Awesome - I is for intersex' is just not where I'd start discussing these issues with young DCs.

Intersex is really complicated as discussions on this board show, and as I said before it is not even explained very well in the video from an intersex person, which seemed more about someone happy they had found a label for themselves and a special flag.

MagpiePi · 07/06/2022 08:22

@Terfydactyl

I read it as, supporting Ukraine was the trendy thing to do but this has been kicked out in favour of pride.
Nobody still has BLM logos or We are Charlie Hebdo slogans.

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 00:41

I hear you with Lego, I'm aware that someone quite high up at Lego is gay and it's quite core to his whole identity and as such they've produced a few gay sets and heavily get involved with Pride (I think I read London employees were quite strongly encouraged to get involved).

This kind of thing in workplaces can be very problematic. A fellow I went to university with belongs to a quite orthodox religious community, and works in a law firm. Over the last few years they've put more and more pressure on everyone to be involved in things like walking with the company banner in the Priide parade. He doesn't want any kind of fuss or trouble but it's to the point he feels he will have to tell them to back off. It's a pressure cooker workplace at the best of times. He's planning to leave in the Autumn, I have wondered how their DEI people will square that one.

DdraigGoch · 07/06/2022 00:27

BootsAndRoots · 06/06/2022 23:28

I hear you with Lego, I'm aware that someone quite high up at Lego is gay and it's quite core to his whole identity and as such they've produced a few gay sets and heavily get involved with Pride (I think I read London employees were quite strongly encouraged to get involved).

There was a rainbow minifigures set (not just rainbow colours of course). It's weird given that LEGO usually steers well clear of anything remotely political.