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Companies changing their logo background

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OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 06/06/2022 09:44

If a company has the new pride flag as their background do you think that it means they subscribe to the erasure of women?

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OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 10/06/2022 12:18

The replies are funny but I have no words.

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Wanderingowl · 10/06/2022 11:16

So, just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder. Postmates, a food delivery company, have made a handy informational Pride video teaching bottoms what they can eat so their digestive tract doesn't prevent them taking a big, leather clad, aubergine up the peach.

twitter.com/Postmates/status/1534926284681121792

Companies changing their logo background
OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 09/06/2022 11:13

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:56

Are they allowed to be rainbow clad whilst on duty? I thought they had strict uniform rules.
Well of course the caption/ location would put a different slant on things!

I suggest you have a look at WeAreFairCop on twitter...

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IcakethereforeIam · 09/06/2022 11:08

Rainbow logos usually remind me first of the defunct clothes shop C&A Confused. I believe it's still a thing on the continent?

As a corporate logo, I take it to mean that it's just a gestureHmm. If it's got the chevrons Angry.

But I still love real rainbows 🌈.

Metabigot · 09/06/2022 10:57

Artichokeleaves · 09/06/2022 10:11

I think you are wrong to assume

Frankly at this point, I have much bigger things to worry about as a homosexual female as to whether or not another female is going to judge me for being insufficiently unassuming, open minded and naice.

I am sorry to hear that.

Sending you non-transy rainbows of hope 🌈

Artichokeleaves · 09/06/2022 10:11

I think you are wrong to assume

Frankly at this point, I have much bigger things to worry about as a homosexual female as to whether or not another female is going to judge me for being insufficiently unassuming, open minded and naice.

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:57

First they took the word woman.

Then mother.

Then breastfeeding.

Then female

And now... they take... the RAINBOW 🌈

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:56

WonderWine · 08/06/2022 22:47

How do you know the hcp or police officer isn't wearing a rainbow to symbolise a rainbow baby for example

I think if it's a photo of a rainbow-clad police officer during Pride year month with the caption "PC Plod out in XYZ today celebrating our LGBTQ+ colleagues" it's safe to say they're not celebrating the birth of a rainbow baby!

Are they allowed to be rainbow clad whilst on duty? I thought they had strict uniform rules.
Well of course the caption/ location would put a different slant on things!

WonderWine · 08/06/2022 22:47

How do you know the hcp or police officer isn't wearing a rainbow to symbolise a rainbow baby for example

I think if it's a photo of a rainbow-clad police officer during Pride year month with the caption "PC Plod out in XYZ today celebrating our LGBTQ+ colleagues" it's safe to say they're not celebrating the birth of a rainbow baby!

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:43

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:41

Well, you are assuming the rainbow = pride.
It's actually a symbol of hope for many people, triumph over adversity in life etc.

How do you know the hcp or police officer isn't wearing a rainbow to symbolise a rainbow baby for example.

I think you are wrong to assume

Just to clarify I don't mean an official work item like a lanyard. But a rainbow bracelet/ring for example.

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 22:41

Artichokeleaves · 08/06/2022 19:56

Many political symbols existed long before they were appropriated and politicised, however they will ever after carry the connotations.

Rainbows on a person for me now as a homosexual female make me immediately wary of whether they are stating affiliation to politics that would reject me and my rights in two ways and require my conformity. If you're a member of the public, that's not an issue. But if you're about to be my hcp or you're a police officer who I need help from - that's a large problem.

Well, you are assuming the rainbow = pride.
It's actually a symbol of hope for many people, triumph over adversity in life etc.

How do you know the hcp or police officer isn't wearing a rainbow to symbolise a rainbow baby for example.

I think you are wrong to assume

DdraigGoch · 08/06/2022 22:39

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 14:14

Kids books are really shit these days. If it isn't Pride it's something else, they are all horribly didactic and have only the thinnest of stories to cover that, if they have any story at all.

I work in libraries and it's interesting, one that I work in keeps it's collection very new as a matter of policy, and if you go in there looking for a storybook it is slim picking. Lots of books but not many you would want to read. The other is happy to keep older books that are in good shape and there are tons of good stories.

I've always felt that the best books are the ones no longer in print. I could spend hours in a second hand book stall.

TheBiologyStupid · 08/06/2022 19:59

Long live the rainbow!

Indeed! Although, "All that you fear they're telling you, can't happen here can it?" (Apologies in advance for the probably obscure rock lyric reference...)

Artichokeleaves · 08/06/2022 19:56

Many political symbols existed long before they were appropriated and politicised, however they will ever after carry the connotations.

Rainbows on a person for me now as a homosexual female make me immediately wary of whether they are stating affiliation to politics that would reject me and my rights in two ways and require my conformity. If you're a member of the public, that's not an issue. But if you're about to be my hcp or you're a police officer who I need help from - that's a large problem.

OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 08/06/2022 18:57

I do wonder if the tide of public opinion is now turning

I have a real issue with this, and think it is true. I campaigned for same sex marriage and yet now I haven't bought from a company flying the new flag because it doesn't represent equality anymore. This makes me sad, it is leading to less tolerance not more.

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Metabigot · 08/06/2022 18:56

I have always loved rainbows 🌈 even before all this trans rubbish and wear rainbows jewellery/clothing etc as much as I like despite some GC acquaintances criticising this due to the appropriation of the rainbow by pride/trans rights.

Well fuck that, rainbows don't belong to anyone and existed long before humans of any category.

Means there's more rainbow clothing/jewellery/stuff to choose from.

Long live the rainbow!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 18:42

Switching to a totally different context, I once read that in Hollywood, actors' agents tried to tred the line between keeping the public aware of a star, and over-exposure.

Too much coverage in the relevant sections, and too many films risks tipping a star into over-exposure. And then the public become sick of seeing his face on everything, and stop saying, "ooh, that new film has got Gen-Eric Actor in, I love him. Let's go see it!". Perhaps they switch their interest to the new up-and-coming Ant Other-Star.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:45

That wasn’t Essex police was it - with the ether sinister comment about monitoring comments for hate?

A couple of years ago my sister excitedly sent me a photo of her rainbow lanyard at work. More recently she muttered ‘for the love of god’ when she saw one, so I’m guessing ‘The communiteeeee’ isn’t feeling the love these days.

WonderWine · 08/06/2022 17:42

I do wonder if the tide of public opinion is now turning on this and it will actually begin to be detrimental to businesses to do this.

I'm hearing a lot 'sick of this stuff being rammed down our throats' type comments, even from people who are otherwise very supportive of the LGB community.
My brother, who was at the forefront of campaigning for gay rights in the 80s absolutely HATES it all and says all his gay community friends just roll their eyes etc.

I do think it's becoming counterproductive now. Our local police force posted some Pride stuff and all the comments were negative. Not nasty, but just of the 'haven't you better things to spend OUR money on than rainbow lanyards and laces?' type.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:26

Imperial - no flagpoles and no sign of flags
Royal college of music - own flag
goethe institute - pride original
Royal Albert Hall - union flag (but they have flown pride the past few years)

I assume UCL/Senate house will be flying the remix version (or even the newer version).

can you imagine any other group/minority having so much attention? For a whole month (and the rest). Strange days indeed.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 17:23

If you want chapter and verse on children's literature published post 2012 which deserved to be published, just say the word. Grin Ranting about books should be my Mastermind subject.

Be warned, I make no claims with regards to the philosophy of any authors on the list, because they're there for their books. I couldn't bear to check!

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:14

Natural History museum - flying pride flag
Science museum - pride remix

I used to take DS to both a lot when he was little. I never remember seeing either back then.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/06/2022 16:54

Children aren't paid to read the multiple versions of 200 Pages of Regurgitating the Information From A EDI Course I Was On to Prove I Was Listening: a Novel Grin Grin Grin

I do think you're right on this. My 8yo dd's favourite books are The Secret Seven. She loved the younger-targeted Enid Blyton as well, Wishing Chair and Faraway Tree, and the Five Find Outers. Is pretty into Harry Potter, but I read that to her and I won't let her go past book 3 yet. Also liked The Hobbit and the first Narnia book. So far nothing published very recently has held her attention.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 16:21

I think it would be very difficult to cultivate a love of reading in any child, solely using recently published children's books. In my opinion, many of them can't realistically compete for children's attention in a world of iPads, gaming consoles and so on. I wouldn't have read them myself as a child, and I read everything.

A fair few have the same checklist feel that you'd experience reading GCSE French coursework on My Hobbies or What I Do On My Holidays: teachers always tell pupils (truthfully!) that in order to access the publishing contracts higher grade bands, you must include at least three tenses, show you can conjugate irregular verbs, use a range of adjectives, and use a range of pronouns (as in, first person plural and singular, third person singular, and using subject, object and reflexive pronouns appropriately). It gets the job done, of demonstrating that you can write about a topic using grammatically correct French, but it's still writing to a checklist. It doesn't produce anything you'd want to read for pleasure!

That's fine from 15 year olds writing essays for a GCSE language course for a marker who is paid to endure reading the musings of dozens of teenagers. Children aren't paid to read the multiple versions of 200 Pages of Regurgitating the Information From A EDI Course I Was On to Prove I Was Listening: a Novel.

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 14:14

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 11:00

I have just had an enthusiastic saleswomen trying to get me to buy more stuff - ooooooh and if we place an order during Pride Month (month??) we will be put into a draw to win a package of Pride themed books for the kiddies!!!!!

No thanks lady. I’ve seen the books.

For the love of god what happened to ‘Spot finds a fire hydrant’???

Kids books are really shit these days. If it isn't Pride it's something else, they are all horribly didactic and have only the thinnest of stories to cover that, if they have any story at all.

I work in libraries and it's interesting, one that I work in keeps it's collection very new as a matter of policy, and if you go in there looking for a storybook it is slim picking. Lots of books but not many you would want to read. The other is happy to keep older books that are in good shape and there are tons of good stories.