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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 19:46

Sally Hines has tweeted to say, ‘Interrupting my holiday silence to say that Helen Joyce is an absolute disgrace. Anyone who does not condemn her recent tirade is complicit in eugenicism.’

Helen Joyce says SH needs to delete, retract and apologise or she will take legal action, no discussion.

Is Sally going to court?

I know I’ll help out with the crowdfunder just to see her try to explain how trying to resolve dysphoria is eugenics.

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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 20:41

How long does someone have to retract before (whether or not they apologise before you drag them into court) they can be considered to have defamed you?

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OldCrone · 05/06/2022 20:41

Isn't it the genderists who are proposing eugenics? At about 10 mins into that discussion, Helen Joyce talks about homophobic parents who trans their little boys who want to wear dresses because they would rather have a sterile 'daughter' than a gay son. Transgenderism is gay eugenics.

NecessaryScene · 05/06/2022 20:37

I think Sally Hines might be stupid and fanatical enough to not back down on her own, but any lawyer (unless also stupid, fanatical and/ or unethical) will explain to her (very slowly, and using Lego if necessary) that she really won't win this, so she should quit while she's not too far behind.

So I suspect we don't get to have any courtroom fun or proper punishment, just a grumpy apology. :(

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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 20:37

Owen Jones sticking his penny’s worth in. The best he can do is repost Joyce’s comments. If they were making a case for eugenics he’d say so. He knows they aren’t, so he doesn’t, because he knows it would be defamatory.

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dropthevipers · 05/06/2022 20:32

jimboandthejetset · 05/06/2022 20:21

No need to get offensive about a perfectly legitimate academic discipline. Being a sociologist doesn't make you a TRA.

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According to wiki, in Sally's case it very much does.

FemaleAndLearning · 05/06/2022 20:28

Eugenics? If girls are having hysterectomies to become boys and boys are inverting their penises to make a vagina aren't they sterilising themselves and carrying eugenics out on themselves as a group?

jimboandthejetset · 05/06/2022 20:21

dropthevipers · 05/06/2022 20:08

PhD. in sociology. Well, aint that just drawing the academic short straw.

No need to get offensive about a perfectly legitimate academic discipline. Being a sociologist doesn't make you a TRA.

Helleofabore · 05/06/2022 20:18

Oohhh another session with BC QC? I will get my wallet.

Helleofabore · 05/06/2022 20:17

lovelyweathertoday · 05/06/2022 19:59

Hurcum has repeated the same accusation, foolish young man.

I don’t know that they is known for their coherent logic on much.

FlibbertyGiblets · 05/06/2022 20:15

I need to pat down my winter coat pockets for fivers, not done that yet as winter went on so long.
Happy to do some gardening.

Penguintears · 05/06/2022 20:11

Happy to contribute to another crowdfunder.

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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 20:09

Definitely feels like approaching boss level now. HJ (whether you agree with what she says or not) doesn’t look like backing down and Sally might just be mad enough (or drunk enough - she’s on her hols) to talk herself into trying to explain her position.

Anyone got Ben Cooper’s speed dial?

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dropthevipers · 05/06/2022 20:08

PhD. in sociology. Well, aint that just drawing the academic short straw.

Datun · 05/06/2022 20:06

*get everything

Datun · 05/06/2022 20:06

Yes, I haven't donated to a crowd funder for a week or so. So I'm on full standby.

Let's everything on the table. What she said, why she said it, what it means and what the implications are.

Let's have it.

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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 20:03

The only way I’m aware anyone could have prevented that particular person ‘transitioning’ is by thwarting their access to silly hats.

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lovelyweathertoday · 05/06/2022 19:59

Hurcum has repeated the same accusation, foolish young man.

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tabbycatstripy · 05/06/2022 19:59

No, she isn’t. She thinks it would be better for everyone if fewer people transitioned. That is certainly a controversial view and some will find it offensive. Without evidence that a) being transgender has a genetic component to it, and b) that Joyce wants to prevent those people being born, it’s not eugenics.

So I think Hines should put the bargain basement negronis down and yeet the tweet.

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TribunalBingo · 05/06/2022 19:56

Another absolutely bonkers thing to add to the incredibly long list of absolutely bonkers things SH has said, but this time with added libel.

It makes me so angry when they DARVO. Helen Joyce isn't out there sterilising kids who don't fit in, who are gay, have mental health issues or autism, Sally.