Women removed from the maternity act Ireland

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Dublin Pride are very very offended by women being heard.

Sorry I was referring to Roseglen comment re talking about this in the media now whereas before there was very little about it

I thought the same, delighted its being talked about!

Slightly OT, but it's interesting to me that the IT's religious affairs correspondent is the one covering this

Yes, exactly - the usual frothing nonsense. Yet again any logical discussion is immediately shouted down as transphobia. Can people not see how ridiculous this is? And of course, they have quotes from Belongto and TENI but nothing much from anyone else. Talk about one sided.

That isn't journalism, it's agenda pushing.

*bad, not bas - obviously!

Oh thanks, sorry I clicked on one of the links and must have listened to the wrong one. Will check out the others.

I keep thinking, as bas as it is, at least it being talked about more now versus even a year or two ago. They can't keep a lid on this forever, people are going to realise the implications of this stupid law eventually.

Was there any consultation with women representative groups pre publishing the draft legislation.

In my head the most balanced, inclusive approach would be to leave woman/mother and add an additional descriptive word that covers all who are not /dont wish to be known as women.

What rationale was applied to have the word woman removed? - how is it offensive to anyone - not goading just learning and trying to engage with a teen boy who is as confused as me and terrified he is going to stick is size 11s in it in school anyday now!

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Despite the appalling fact that the Irish Congress for Civil Liberties do not want a civilised discussion on the definition of the word Woman, it appears they consider this hate speech 🙄, the responses are heartening.

Wow at that Irish Times article.

Women’s rights subjugated, society aware but firmly looking elsewhere, people afraid to speak up. It’s the mother and baby homes all over again.

One of the Transactivists on yesterday's programme could not see the problem with expanding the definition of the word woman to include biological men who identify as a woman.
I felt Brian's answer got it in a nutshell. Gender non conforming men do not expand the meaning of the word "woman", they expand the meaning of the word "man".

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A right of reply is not encouraged by believers in gender ideology.
I expect RTE will be put under pressure to apologise. From the Lord Mayor of Dublin to Labour youth, Amnesty Ireland to the National Council for Women, open discussion appears to be considered hate speech.

I read that article and decided that’s it, I’m finally canceling my IT subscription- the cost of living increase has made me look through all of my monthly subscriptions.

hate speech? But removing the word woman is not a problem? And I was infuriated when Ailbhe Smith conflated feminism and trans rights - I fought for my rights as a woman and I am not about to let them go without a fight.

it is so disheartening to see how the repeal group have been taken over by these people. How, after fighting for over 30 years on an issue that only exits because if biological women, have they then capitulated to a group who are even more misogynistic than those who inserted the 1983 amendment in the first place.

I'm surprised an experienced journalist like Patsy McGarry would write such a completely tendendentious and one sided article. Just a series of self appointed spokes people having a meltdown about hate and prejudice they cannot actually point to. What Graham Linehan called 'theatrical ' accusations of bigotry. All topped off with veiled threats to the board of RTÉ. This fragile and vulnerable group seem to wield a hugely disproportionate amount of power. I hope the Times allows a right of reply.

Over the past 3 programmes RTE 's Liveline has discussed this topic. All 3 programmes are linked above.
This is the Irish Times article on these programmes.
www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/06/13/rtes-liveline-accused-of-facilitating-hate-speech-against-trans-people/

Link
www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/liveline/programmes/2022/0613/1304585-liveline-monday-13-june-2022//

@Roseglen84 that man talking about the football changing rooms was on last week (Friday I think). He was infuriating! Today the man at the beginning of the programme was concerned with this language change and self id in general as he has a teenage daughter who he believes will be affected by these things. He asked a few times were the people who supported these changes happy that his daughter may have to change in changing rooms with a man. He also referenced the males in limerick womens prison. Made me think he had seen Helen stanislands question!

The guy at the beginning from the football team was ridiculous - saying there's no problem if boys want to go into the girls changing rooms or on the girls teams. Kept saying 'of course we would allow them'...how nice for him to make that choice on behalf of teenage girls who most likely would feel really uncomfortable with this.

The phrase 'so open minded their brain fell out' comes to mind.

Some great speakers on liveline today, Colette was one and there was a man at the beginning who was good too

Being discussed on Liveline again today!

I agree it was very sensitively handled.

The callers on the first of those programmes are excellent, on both sides. I don't hear Liveline too often, but Joe Duffy and his producers deserve credit for hosting a fair and impartial discussion.

Thanks, I will have a listen to these tomorrow. As much as Joe Duffy annoys me, at least it is being discussed on national radio so people can hear the issues.

Links to those Liveline shows:

Denied access to National Women's Council of Ireland AGM • 09 JUN 2022
Sandra claims she was denied access to the National Women's Council of Ireland AGM today - was it because of advocacy group The Countess's stance on women's biology?
RTÉ Radio Player / Google Podcasts

Gender Identity • 10 JUN 2022
Liveline discusses Trans, Gender Fluidity, LGBTQI+ Rights, Motherhood, Womanhood and abusive language.
RTÉ Radio Player / Google Podcasts

And back on Liveline again today.