Women removed from the maternity act Ireland

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Niall Boylan
@Niall_Boylan
Very pleased to hear

@MacCoillte

(head of RTÉ radio one) on

@RTERadio1

say he “stands over” the #liveline debate on the use of the word “woman” and #Transrights. He acknowledges that some people may be hurt but felt debate and opinions are important on national radio.
5:27 pm · 15 Jun 2022·Twitter for iPhone

That provision was always a red herring, a way of saying that no-one would or could abuse the process. But it's meaningless - what does it mean to "live as a man" anyway, except by being male?

Supporters of gender ideology will just say, "Sure, most men don't birth babies, but some do."

I find it interesting that the idea of a trans man (born female) having a baby is not challenged. To obtain a gender recognition certificate a person must state their intent is to live in the preferred gender for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. So to be stopping any hormone treatment or becoming pregnant they are no longer in that gender?? Unless of course they will argue that males can have a uterus too.

What a shitshow.

Labour Senator Annie Hoey tweeted this yesterday evening:

"This is extremely significant from @DublinPride. RTE cannot expect for it be acceptable to posit trans people’ lives and existence as a debate topic and then be media partners for an LGBTQ+ org. Actions speak very loudly in this instance.
No LGB without the T"

Very shortly before that, she had, apparently without irony, retweeted a post of the poem "Differences of Opinion," by Wendy Cope:

"He tells her that the earth is flat.
He knows the facts, and that is that.
In altercations fierce and long
She tries her best to prove him wrong.
But he has learned to argue well.
He calls her arguments unsound.
And often asks her not to yell.
She cannot win. He stands his ground
The planet goes on being round."

I'd go so far as to say the majority of Irish people have know idea this is going on and what Self ID even is never mind that it was even brought into law

It's impossible to have a discussion about this online. It's a different story in the real world.

www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250248/dublin-pride-ends-media-partnership-with-rte-over-livelines-gender-identity-discussion#latest

You aren't the only one. I haven't read most of this thread but there are not only lots of posters on this boards.ie thread who feel similar, but last I looked the distribution of "thanks" on the posts leans heavily to one side.

www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250248/dublin-pride-ends-media-partnership-with-rte-over-livelines-gender-identity-discussion#latest

www.independent.ie/irish-news/tds-to-grill-rte-bosses-after-dublin-pride-drops-media-partnership-over-anti-trans-discussions-on-liveline-41755471.html

"RTÉ is set to be hauled before the Oireachtas Media and Culture Committee after Dublin Pride severed its ties with the State broadcaster over what the campaign group described as “anti-trans” discussions on Joe Duffy’s Liveline programme.

TDs and Senators on the Dáil committee this morning agreed to invite RTÉ bosses to appear before it in the coming weeks to discuss its coverage of transgender issues."

Surely it should say biological women as only they can give birth
You can be a gender you choose but biologically you are still male or female , especially if able to have a baby and give birth
Biological sex and gender to me are different

TDs to grill RTÉ bosses after Dublin Pride drops media partnership over ‘anti-trans’ discussions on Liveline

Independent senator Sharon Keogan said the Liveline programme is a “public sounding board for national issues”.

She said: “Women told their stories about cervical cancers/menopause/M&B homes/domestic violence & other women's issue. When the govt try 2 erase the word 'women' from legislation, women who speak out are labelled. #FreeSpeech.”

So glad there are other Irish women who feel as I do btw! It sometimes feels like I'm the only one

Thank you! They've mentioned it since on the news at 1 but they didn't go into it too much, said no speaker from rte was available to discuss! I won't be able to listen to much of liveline but I hope the discussion continues!

I found the brief piece on this on Morning Ireland this morning so enraging. They didn’t even touch on the content of the discussions on Live Line that triggered this decision by Pride- just dwelt on the “hurt” it caused.

They’ve just done a piece on on the Lunchtime news prog which did at least mention the erasure of the term “mother” from maternity legislation.

Thank God RTE are sticking to their “difficult discussions should still be had” mandate… for now.

I’m so sick of this shit. I’m a doctor and I will never stop using the words woman and mother. This is the hill I am prepared to die on.

I hope that they discuss this toys out of pram reaction on Liveline today! If they don't I can certainly see Niall Boylan discussing it on Classic Hits. I know he's a massive professional shit stirrer, but I also believe he's genuinely pretty fucked off with the wording of the maternity act. He was born in a Mother and Baby home and sold at 18 months to his adoptive parents while his mother was sent out to clean not knowing she wouldn't see him again until he found her as an adult. So I think he knows what a mother and woman is.

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0615/1304966-rte-dublin-pride/

Claire Byrne just read out a statement from RTE (can't find it online yet) in response to Dublin Pride statement, it sounds like they are not backing down on "public discussion" so hopefully the discussion continues!

Reading this article in the Irish Times "Dublin Pride ends RTÉ media partnership over ‘anti-trans rhetoric" " reminds me of a toddler throwing their dummy out of the cot.

I've listened to some of the Joe Duffy stuff (which is on the radio at a time when most people are at work).
I'm pro-human rights in every form, and believe that how we treat the most vulnerable is a reflection of who we really are.
The reaction of Dublin Pride prompts me to say "cop on".

I work with truly vulnerable children, including some who are on 24hour monitoring for seizure activity, home oxygen, who require a specialised taxi to get to school, need a positioning system to prevent hip dislocation during sleep. I also work with people who identify as transgender and they are provided with affirming, careful and sensitive support.

This isn't a game of "who is the most vulnerable?" but like really? Cop on.
Someone needs to be an adult here, and Dublin Pride aren't meeting the criteria at the moment.

Thats a well written letter although I wish she hadn't called herself cis.

Letters to the ed about "woman" being removed from the Maternity Bill has started www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2022/06/15/amendments-to-the-maternity-protection-act/

Unfortunately don't think any media organisation in Ireland has the guts to start asking politicans what is a woman

Hopefully this will open a few eyes. The Journal allows "whatabout the MEN" comments every time they report on violence against women. They allow comments on immigration which can sometimes be dodgy. But not this subject...I wonder why?

When you think of the success that the've had in Ireland, they've managed to get almost all the SU's to drop the Irish Times. They're very good at getting the media to self censor on this topic, the journal has their comments section closed when they reported on it.

That Patsy McGarry piece was basically a press release for that new trans lobby group. Isn't he meant to be a journalist??

What the fuck? Talk about a massive over-reaction. So any discussion is not allowed now. Are we supposed to bow down to totalitarian demands like this?

I really hope that RTÉ don't just give in to totally ridiculous pandering. Surely this will just show ordinary people how pathetic this all is - a demand to never speak, or question, or query anything...it's just complete bollocks!

Where are the grown ups when you need them?