So disgusted tonight

@Datun The key point about the "Staniland Question" is that it is on the radar of relevant decision makers. The people we need to know about this now know thanks, in part, to the "Staniland Question". This question must continue to be asked to come to the attention of new decision makers.

"My blood is boiling.
Soooo fucking much!
The absolute fucking arrogance, of these two braindead dickheads, spelling out the fascistic solution to trans people exhibiting natural human diversity, is sick, twisted, perverted, and beyond callous and evil!
I don't have the words..."

Oh dear Goddd. No wonder people come off Twitter.

The mix of ugh at quite so much splattering anger, coupled with some totally involuntary snorting, is a little unusual, I'm not gonna lie.

Well I can't find that question anywhere except in your post, Manchester.

However, the question I do remember that Helen Staniland asked everyone was do you think that men should have the right to get undressed in the same changing room as teenage girls?

Showing all the yuckiness up for what it is.

The Staniland Question

"Revealing misogynists everywhere".

Every single one the usual suspects.

Only Kev has actually asked that question, isn't that right Kev of Manchester.

Or are we not supposed to notice such bollocks?

What? Who has posted that question? Do you have a link or a screenshot because I looked on twitter under that hashtag and couldn't find it.

Sterilising kids.

That is what is sickening in reality.

Clearly we have tremendous problems because of the capture of language when it comes to trans issues.

What is a woman? Why is 'woman' a concept to be re-purposed while 'man' largely is not?

Why is 'genocide' suddenly something quite different from how it has been defined for a long time?

What is real trans?

What is conversion therapy?

When is medical treatment necessary but not for a condition that is defined as natural human variation?

What is the difference between saying that someone wishes certain painful conditions not to exist or the people with those conditions not to exist?

It is extremely tiring.

Ugh, these morons. It’s insulting to the intelligence of (almost) everyone who posts here to interpret Helen Joyce’s comments in the style of Chicken Little having a bad trip. It’s pure bullshit. Everyone knows that wasn’t what she meant. Everyone. It’s a pointless theatre of politeness even pretending to take this tedious testeria seriously.

(Also: if you encounter one eliminationist who’s out to destroy your people, that’s unfortunate. If you’re seeing eliminationists who are out to destroy your people all day long, everywhere you turn, you’re a Nazi. Or at least, a proto-Nazi. Get a goddamn grip.)

What she said just follows on from what she and her followers have said before. I see the new #stanilandquestion has been posted on twitter.

Yes, a lot of hyperbolic nonsense gets posted on Twitter by a range of people, perhaps you are familiar with that popular social media site, when not commenting on online broadsheet websites?

Surely it is for people in the affected group to say whether it would have been better for them not to have existed, or to have existed differently?

Yeah. But when they speak out and don't toe the TRA party line they get called names and vilified.

When posters here who have spoken to trans friends about this post we get vilified for speaking for trans people or utterly ignored - see my post upthread.

It's actually impossible to get an honest response that also makes sense. But l, like many others, am still here, waiting, ready to listen and discuss.

Genocide has a clear meaning: it means the deliberate mass murder of an ethnic, racial or cultural group.

It doesn’t mean other things.

Agree. Homicide means murder. Suicide means killing yourself. Regicide means killing the monarch.

It's about literal violence, the real kind.

Who else? Good question. Can I begin?

(For different reasons and in different way, obvs ...)

-- Unhappy people; sufferers from incurable cancer; stupid people; football hooligans; old etonians; unelected dictators; soldiers; people wounded in war; people who steal library books; people with asthma; ... and so on and so on.

What d'you think? Would the world be a better or more sane place with fewer unhappy people and no need for Salbutamol inhalers?

You may disagree with some of these. But it doesn't follow from the fact that we wish for fewer unhappy people in the world, for instance, that we wish to exterminate all those with frowns. Does it?

Oh, here's the follow up to the woman who blinded herself, explicitly noting the equivalence with transgenderism.

He's calling her deliberate self-blinding 'sight reassignment'.

I'm not sure, I was wondering the same.

What she said just follows on from what she and her followers have said before. I see the new #stanilandquestion has been posted on twitter.

"How many is enough trans people and why did you not say zero?"

Sickening in reality.

When is it expected?

I think TRAs are shitting themselves about the upcoming Cass report.

'People think of blindness being a disability' says the woman tapping her way slowly down a pavement with a cane. 'I saw it as empowering.'

Where have I heard that before?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3326051/

'BIID has an onset in early childhood. The main rationale given for their desire for body modification is to feel complete or to feel satisfied inside. Somatic and severe psychiatric co-morbidity is unusual, but depressive symptoms and mood disorders can be present, possibly secondary to the enormous distress BIID puts upon a person. Amputation and paralyzation variant do not differ in any clinical variable. Surgery is found helpful in all subjects who underwent amputation'

She doesn't appear to have done any checks, so I suppose this 'psychologist' could have been any random person with a couch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

This condition may have some parallels:

'In 2004 Michael First published the first clinical research in which he surveyed fifty-two people with the condition, a quarter of whom had undergone an amputation. Based on that work, First coined the term "body integrity identity disorder" to express what he saw as more of an identity disorder than a paraphilia.[9] After First's work, efforts to study BID as a neurological condition looked for possible causes in the brains of people with BID using neuroimaging and other techniques.[2][15] Research provisionally found that people with BID were more likely to want removal of a left limb than right, consistent with damage to the right parietal lobe; in addition, skin conductance response is significantly different above and below the line of desired amputation, and the line of desired amputation remains stable over time, with the desire often beginning in early childhood.[15] This work did not completely explain the condition, and psychosexual research has been ongoing as well.'

Crikey. Talk about jump the shark.

This woman met a 'psychologist' online who helped her blind herself. I don't know that many qualified health professionals would do this.

oh. I cross posted with Necessary.