So disgusted tonight

What with this and the revelation that in 2004 the Guardian commissioned research into sex change surgery and published an article saying it wasn't effective, it's been a great start to the day.

I'm hoping for a brief flounce at least.

I have no idea what OJ will do now.

He may have to lock down his tweets? Come off Twitter?

I don’t like LOJ but he’s right: he has been absolutely staunch in his (misguided) defence of trans rights. That people are coming for him anyway is a marker of the extremism within the ideology he has helped to promote.

Exactly.

I don’t like LOJ but he’s right: he has been absolutely staunch in his (misguided) defence of trans rights. That people are coming for him anyway is a marker of the extremism within the ideology he has helped to promote. The revolution must be purged. 🙄

Owen doesn't realise how much many of these people want attention of any kind.

TRA: ‘And now you're using it to tell trans people that they're wrong, and that calling for their systematic elimination is not genocide. And rather than say sorry, take a moment to re-evaluate, maybe learn and grow, you're doubling down. This is incredibly disappointing.’

This is very funny.

OJ: ‘I think if genocide means the criminalisation of homosexuality in England and Wales before 1967 and, say, what happened in Rwanda, then it’s not a term that can be usefully applied in a way that’s clear and specific.’

He is so nearly there.

Typical fundamentalist behaviour. Definitions are flexible as and when they require them to be flexible. Explanations of what you are actually saying are literal violence. No performative ally-ship will be enough if it is accompanied by anything other than 100% affirmation.

Lol: twitter.com/robynthelesbian/status/1533934111622057984

Why doesn't he just block, like he usually does with those who disagree with him?

I'll be interested to see how he's going to deal with this.

Getting aggressive now

He's telling them the dictionary definition of genocide?

He's actually defending himself using dictionary definitions.

To TRAs.

Don't we all, LOJ, don't we all.

Oh, is it Owen?

Bloody hell,that's awful!

Heads up as these threads may have attracted a lot of reporting yesterday Mumsnet data breach www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4564197-mumsnet-data-breach-1

Gawd. Most people won't want to align themselves with zealots who call this sort of
discussion an incitement to genocide!

Although I'm mildly surprised that after all this time he still isn't au faux with how TRAs operate.

At some point he's got to be glancing afresh at the kind of people who are still left on that 'right side of history.'

Wow! I guess as Owen agrees with us on the meaning of genocide that he is Mumsnet-adjacent? That's how it works, right?

He'll be 'repenting motherfucker' by lunchtime.

Lots more here:

"Anyone not blocked by OJ should go and take a look at his feed.

Its never enough Owen."

twitter.com/Liesl_lseil/status/1533936419281969158?t=8aIVjZ4wP7ssA13HwKVjYA&s=19

twitter.com/Liesl_lseil/status/1533937502238695424?t=DrekSGQwZpzEPnKh4Y_cmg&s=19

Uh oh. LOJ tries to calm the baying mob he helped create, and now the TRAS are displeased with him.

A deep conviction that one should be the opposite physical sex. Functioning better psychologically, socially, occupationally and sexually

Field, can you explain how, for instance, women are psychologically different to men? And socially? And occupationally and sexually? In the context of why a man would want to inhabit those roles? And how he could?

Not a trick question. You obviously think that there are differences which are sufficiently unalike and unobtainable, that the only way to acquire them is to emulate the opposite sex.

For me, this desire is underpinned by sexism, and accommodating the desire promotes the sexism. Cements it in.

And, also to me, this is why feminists are so on it. Because their whole raison d'etre is to eliminate sexism. So they spot it at 50 paces.

i'd be interested in your answers.

This has been a busy thread and I haven't read everything since I posted near the start, but I did some some posts about BIID. Posters interested in that might want to read this fascinating piece from 2000

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

In terms of being human the "physical" is the human body, is it not? [The human body is a mix of biology, organic chemistry and physical science.] So, what is being "fixed"? A human body is a human body that is naturally a female or a male body that no human ever has a choice about.

So yes, some humans are demanding that their healthy bodies be modified. A healthy body is a body that is not a threat to the wellbeing or life of that body.