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So disgusted tonight

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Mollyollydolly · 03/06/2022 23:29

Owen Jones and Pink News tweeted about the two Helens, Joyce and Staniland and their YouTube chat .. Jones taking what they said completely out of context it's resulted in some of the most vile abuse aimed at Helen Joyce in particular on twitter tonight. So many death threats.

I wish there was something we could do, it's so utterly vile, it's time they were held to account for their lies. It's really upsetting.

Owen Jones isn't fit to lace Helen's shoes, I cant believe The Guardian still employ him. I've seen threats to murder, throw napalm in their faces from Joss Prior and many many more. It's disgusting and all down to Owen.

How can this stand up to any level of journalistic ethics or integrity.

It's time we did something, some kind of collective action.

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MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 12:54

He's now determinedly and repeatedly slurring women. So, just another Tuesday, then.

malloo · 07/06/2022 12:53

With friends like these who needs enemies eh Owen? Would be nice if this made him reflect on whether he really has picked the right side, but I suspect he's in too deep.

Has cheered me up no end seeing him trying to use dictionary definitions to defend his position then being surprised when it doesn't wash with his TRA pals 🤣

MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 12:35

One tweet from a TRA says this: 'please listen to us when we tell you something as a group.'

It's interesting to view language in this way. That certain groups have the right to define a word. More of a right to define a word than other people. And of course, this isn't 'just' a word, it's a legal term, with legal definitions and implications.

Datun · 07/06/2022 12:33

Yes, it's not gender critical feminists who are advocating for unevidenced treatment that sterilises people while they are still children.

The Cass report cannot come fast enough.

And I don't think Jones understands the nature of transactivism if he thinks he can stop the pile on by saying other people are gleeful about it.

It's him whose done the wrong thing, by saying he's supportive, but not quite supportive enough.

He put a foot wrong, and now it's curtains. Us? Our feet are all over the place, it's too late for us.

OldCrone · 07/06/2022 12:17

'Transgender' doesn't come under national, ethnical, racial or religious group does it?

It could be considered a religion, and one definition of genocide is Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

With their recruitment of pre-pubescent children to embark on a pathway in which they would be sterilised, is this the first example of a group's genocide of its own members?^^

MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 12:09

He keeps saying the debate's over, though, Spinstile. End of!

SpinstileTurnstile · 07/06/2022 12:05

I believe that OJ has just opened up an whole big can of worms here.

It's certainly provoking #MuchDebate. He can try to shut the stable door after the white knight's horse has bolted, but tbh I think the door's come off its hinges during the charge.

MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 11:55

Here's a new church of LGTQBQ

prismaticlightchurch.org/

I'm not sure all transgender people are on board with this, though.

NecessaryScene · 07/06/2022 11:53

'Transgender' doesn't come under national, ethnical, racial or religious group does it?

I'd say you can accept it as a religious group.

In which case you've then got one set of campaigners saying children deemed to be of that group should be sterilised and medically harmed.

And another set of campaigners saying children deemed to be of that group should not be sterilised or medically harmed.

Hmm.

Datun · 07/06/2022 11:49

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 07/06/2022 11:41

Thoroughly enjoying watching OJ get set upon by the TRAs!

Looking at 'd' in this list though, I'm not sure they want to be making too much of 'The definition of genocide'.....

And B. Serious bodily harm? Like turning healthy bodies into lifelong medical patients?

Plus, don't suicides go up after medical transition?

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 07/06/2022 11:48

Also from that page:

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group..........Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example).

'Transgender' doesn't come under national, ethnical, racial or religious group does it?

wellhelloitsme · 07/06/2022 11:48

Wow he really does hate women doesn't he?

It's feminists fault that TRAs have turned on him...

Own your shit OJ, like you asked everyone you disagree with to do.

He's spouted vitriol for years in a way that implied nuance doesn't matter and every word should be scrutinised.

I wonder how that medicine tastes.

Of misogyny I would imagine.

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 07/06/2022 11:41

Thoroughly enjoying watching OJ get set upon by the TRAs!

Looking at 'd' in this list though, I'm not sure they want to be making too much of 'The definition of genocide'.....

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MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 11:38

From that same page:

'The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law.'

Owen is probably sticking too closely to the actual definition. It's almost like he has some journalistic standard of integrity to remember.

LK1972 · 07/06/2022 11:38

Perhaps his lawyers pointed out to him that agreeing with calling Helens' discussion 'genocide', on record, is not smart?

MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 11:36

www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

NecessaryScene · 07/06/2022 11:33

Genocide isn't just murder

And I guess murder isn't just killing people, while we're at it.

tabbycatstripy · 07/06/2022 11:29

Probably best that he does back off. They won’t stop. It’s a blood sport.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/06/2022 11:24

He's "backing off".

Oh look it's all our fault he got piled on by TRAs

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/06/2022 11:22

Is OJ doing some mountaineering, perchance?

MagnoliaTaint · 07/06/2022 10:30

Hm, what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

Robyn the soi-disant lesbian will acknowledge the hyperbole and recant, and Owen will apologise for white-knighting for trans people on his cis horse.

tabbycatstripy · 07/06/2022 10:10

Yes, planet-sized.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/06/2022 10:09

Pluvia · 07/06/2022 10:05

What with this and the revelation that in 2004 the Guardian commissioned research into sex change surgery and published an article saying it wasn't effective, it's been a great start to the day.

Ooh really? Crikey.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/06/2022 10:06

He isn't timid, but he does have a massive ego.

tabbycatstripy · 07/06/2022 10:06

I don’t think he’ll do either. Again, I don’t like OJ but he isn’t timid in that way. He’ll just say “oh”, I reckon.