So disgusted tonight

A pertinent read

"An escalation in hyperbole: An Ideology still struggling with reality"

democracycoma.wordpress.com/2022/06/07/an-escalation-in-hyperbole/

I've often wondered why on that day we would need that word or a word for women. All that those terms would then tell us is --- what?

That someone feels feminine or masculine (whatever that might be when not tied to sex at all)?

However hard I try, I can't find any reason for such terms to even exist once they are entirely decoupled from biological sex.

At best they would represent personality types, at worst they would work like a sex-based rigid caste system (if feminine is submissive, passive, emotional and nurturing and masculine is dominant, active, competitive and risk-taking). But it would pretend not to see sex, so how would discrimination be challenged?

Idk about reduced to incoherence; it's generally an improvement.

He thinks that some day everyone will accept that a man can be either someone with a penis or someone with a vagina.

What does this even mean? What would winning or losing look like in this context?

Whoever genocides the other side first wins?

Anyway, Owen's got a problem here. If it wasn't plotting "genocide", then what was it? What exactly was so "horrible" and "chilling"?

He's being very, very non-specific, presumably not wanting to do a Hines and make any sort of specific accusation that might invite legal action.

But it means he is reduced to incoherence - all he can do is say "it's very bad".

Is this just a game for him?
I think Twitter seems to make people pick a side on many issues.
There's a "right side" and a "wrong side".

It's very important not only to be on the "right side" but to be SEEN to be on it. Otherwise how would anyone know that you were thinking the correct thoughts?

As absurd as the idea there will be a 'right side' of history. It posits some mythical utopian future where all is clear and the forces of evil have been defeated and the Righteous are triumphant.

Life isn't like that. Far messier and more uncertain. And if your goal is to 'win' some imagined battle instead of arriving at a.peaceful entente then you are not really helping anyone.

Quite noticeable how Jones repeatedly frames the issues in terms of winning and losing. He keeps saying to people that they're going to lose.

What does this even mean? What would winning or losing look like in this context?

We're discussing legislation and policy. Specifically wrt the Helens' video, healthcare for children with dysphoria or gender incongruence. How to best support and treat them, find solutions and balance rights, how to protect people and help those with dysphoria. What on earth does 'winning' have to do with anything?

Is this just a game for him? At what point will he feel he's 'won'?

It's our fault, generally

Maybe they have a lot of unresolved anger they daren't aim directly at their parents. Jungian Psych 101.

They seek alternative parental and familial archetypes.

Astute observation. Just taking out his rage on women.

He's been narcissistically raging about GC women for hours because he got told he wasn't an "ally" by extremist TRAs because of what they did. It's our fault, generally and the Helens' specifically.

Look what you made us do'

Owen's pinned tweet makes me feel ill every time I read it.

Agree, it's not "plucky marginalised people against the establishment speak", it's more like abuser speak.

Is it not quite an odd choice of quote to lead with?

I can only read it as mocking abuse victims. Is there another interpretation that I'm missing? That phrase is used by abusers; that's the joke, right?

So glad I'm not the only one that feels queasy at that phrase. Some of us have memories of that phrase used in the situations we'd rather forget

@WeeBisom I am sorely tempted to apply for a GRC because I think I could meet the requirements of living as a man if I don't have to do anything to my body.

Have already got a decent goatee from the menopause.

the current rhetoric is that the very concept of biological sex is muddy and unclear, and that medical transition is not necessary to be trans. You also don’t need to feel anguish or dissatisfaction with your body. It’s very common to meet transwomen who say that they are very happy with their penises and don’t feel the need to change their bodies (I’ve certainly met enough in female only dating scenes).

there seems to be many conflicting concepts of what trans even means.

It's all identities now. Article 2 of the convention could be rewritten:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, an identity".

Maybe it soon will be.

There was a thread a while back about what really frightens people about gender ideology. For me, it is this. The forced homogenisation of all groups into a blancmange of identical identities.

TRAs wouldn't class themselves as a religious group though, and I don't think even they could shoehorn themselves into one of the other groups so......sorry lads, you will have to scrub out 'genocide', it's a non starter.

Also, I know there is nothing these people won't appropriate, but it's so offensive to try and call 'genocide' on this isn't it?

'Look what you made us do'

Owen's pinned tweet makes me feel ill every time I read it.

Wow, just looking in OJs Tweets and Replies, I think this is the first time I have ever seen him actually try engage in any meaningful way on this issue and it is.....eye opening.

He doesn't have a single credible argument.

The screenshot above about the definition of woman is a prime example.

Oh dear.

Gosh, he's still going.

Owen! Give it a rest!

He's such a little monkey*.

(*my new phrase for duplicitous, sanctimonious, hubristic men. If LOJ can change the meanings of words and phrases then so can I)

And E. Transferring children to a different group.