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Men’s loos are unsafe for MTF

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/06/2022 15:14

So last night at the jubilee street party I canvassed opinion from some men, as wide an age range as I could. I asked them what they would do if they encountered a MTF person in a mans loo or changing room.

The consensus seemed to be ‘ it depends on them’. If they looked like a woman, that is, they were smaller than most men, slightly framed, dressed in an appropriate way they would expect a woman to be in the venue where they were for example a supermarket or a cinema , they would just point out that this was the ‘gents’. Most would be taken aback but not cross.

If there was some cognitive dissonance, that is, if the person had a masculine build and heft * whilst being dressed in what one referred to as a ‘girly’ way, so not unisex jeans and trainers, they would ‘ zip up and bolt’ . They might try to use a cubicle.

No one proposed attacking or even challenging them. ‘ keep well clear, you don’t know what might happen’ was the response to the suggestion of confrontation.

Of course it was a small sample, in a middle class area with middle aged men. But they seemed to feel threatened rather than threatening.

*when I suggested that some women might present convincingly as a man in that situation, they laughed!

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HobgoblinGold · 03/06/2022 15:28

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

There are so many research articles available. Above is just one. But I fear whatever I post will be refuted for one reason or another.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 03/06/2022 15:28

females and more so mtf experience men perpetrated violence
More so? Really? Any evidence with verified statistics?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/06/2022 15:28

No hobgoblin, I made it very clear I wasn’t claiming it was a super survey, I would be interested though if you could repeat my small scale biased survey and report your own results.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/06/2022 15:28

Cis females

Women. No qualifier needed. There are not two sexes of female, males are excluded by default.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 03/06/2022 15:24

The empirical evidence refutes this.

Does it now. Please provide the empirical evidence.

HobgoblinGold · 03/06/2022 15:22

Cis females and more so mtf experience men perpetrated violence. Your sample size is small and not at all controlled for biases.

HobgoblinGold · 03/06/2022 15:21

The empirical evidence refutes this.

Foilball · 03/06/2022 15:19

What do you think some men do when they feel threatened?

AlisonDonut · 03/06/2022 15:19

I've not heard of any man beating up a man who identified as a woman in any men's toilets. It's all a huge scam.