Victoria, Australia-parents: consent to puberty blockers or be prosecuted

I've named changed for this post so I don't out myself. Let Toys Be Toys and Let Books Be Books were my introduction to Mumsnet back in the day. Indeed, they were the subjects of the first two Wikipedia articles I created.

There are also small pockets of Baptist and Latter Day Saints, Seventh day Adventists and so on. But again, such small numbers.

Sure Hillsong started out in Baulkham Hills in Sydney. It has a much more diverse mix of ethnicities, from my experience it seems to draw disproportionately from families who are from the same ethnicity of the founders who are from New Zealand and other pacific nations, amongst others, but is very niche and much smaller perhaps than their voice.

It would be an error to draw any conclusion on religious affiliation based on that particular church.

I could easily be wrong about Australian religiousness in general (am perhaps influenced by having some insanely Pentecostal relatives in Queensland and New South Wales) but it is a fact that Hillsong originated in Sydney.

The “conversion therapy” bill was pushed by a group headed by a man with two young trans children, who were both receiving cross-sex hormones. He was interviewed and, quite frankly, sounded desperate to be told he hadn’t made the wrong choice for them. All the lobbying was done secretly, and the fact the bill covered trans children was not discussed at all.

Australia is not an intensely religious country. It is very unusual for a political candidate to discuss their religion, unless they are a minority group.
Any weird evangelical group like Hillsong comes from America.

It's outlined in a general guide on FWR from some time ago but it seems to be persisting.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

You’re likely right

I don’t do Twitter it’s probably a common tactic

India Willoughby has already spotted your post and is having a field day.

I'm putting on my most shocked face.

Really? They must comb this site daily for content

Hardly have to comb when it's your chums posting it.

But also agree with rest of your post

Really? They must comb this site daily for content

@Vitsyra you sound insane. Or like a troll who is writing stuff like that to whip up a frenzy on the internet. India Willoughby has already spotted your post and is having a field day. If you’re real, I feel for your daughter. Oh and if you are trying to push “girly” stuff on her and taking away toys based on how masculine they are, you are not gender critical.

I was thinking the same.

My children have been encouraged to wear whatever they like, play with all the toys and be interested in whatever interests them.

They're also very clear that it's not possible to change sex.

No idea, usedtobeinnz. It's pretty clear that gender affirmation treatments are going to be profitable for various people - they create lifelong medical patients - beyond that I just don't know.

I genuinely believe that this poster posted to get some screenshots about how mental mumsnet is

I agree. Mumsnet was the seedbed for Let Toys Be Toys, Let Books Be Books, and similar campaigns that call for an end to gender stereotypes and critique them.

www.lettoysbetoys.org.uk/about/our-story/

I wouldn’t be so down about that. Labor have been given a clear message that the environment is a priority and they will work with independents and greens on that and still have room to push back on other stuff they don’t like, they don’t need the greens at all in house of reps and will be horsetrading. Obviously it’s a concern but greens are also clear the electorate is voting for them to fix the environment not do whatever the hell they want and they will be out of favour very quickly if they are blocking things for woke issues- teals have shown there’s an alternative to vote for to indicate you want climate change action.

I genuinely believe that this poster posted to get some screenshots about how mental mumsnet is. I don't even care how disablist that statement is, there is no other way to describe it.

I genuinely hope so anyway. Otherwise...

I have come late to this 'dystopian' idea that all these 'gender identity ideology' forces are coming together to drive profits for drugs companies with a large side helping of 'eugenics' i.e. if lots of autistic, adhd, homo-sexual people are affected you have actually helped prevent them from pro-creating? Can it really be as organised as this? Could Stonewall really knowingly put their name to such an evil agenda?
It still doesn't make sense and I think I find it easier to believe the anarchic/marxist disruption to western society theories with the drug companies happy to oblige for profits.

@Vitsyra in the nicest possible way, you should try and get some help. Your thinking is not rational. Not least as others have said because if anything it is quite likely to push your daughter to want to play with trucks and dinosaurs! You want the best for your daughter, the message should be you, and girls in general, can play with whatever they want to.

I try to keep up here
m.youtube.com/c/TERFTalkDownUnder
www.facebook.com/Coalition-for-Biological-Reality-Public-Page-107062111256295
substack.com/profile/65544694-bernard-lane

'how in the hell could the Victorian government's own official Human Rights Commission get their publicly-posted legal advice so catastrophically wrong?!!?!'

If it's anything like the UK, they get it wrong because civil servants have been 'stonewalled' at work on inclusion and diversity courses. One of their policies is to state the law as they want it to be rather than as it actually is. Even our EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) was giving misleading information until the personnel at the top were changed by the same Conservative Government.
We have been fighting back in the UK against a deliberate misinterpretation of our existing laws across the board in the NHS, schools, employment especially in Universities. Even UK Trade Unions have gleefully thrown out women's sex-based rights in favour of gender identity ideology. Women and others who care about this have been funding legal cases to clarify law which was clear in the first place. It is a long and slow process and I fear concerned parents in NZ and Australia are going to have to do the same thing. Or at least campaign to raise awareness of the dangers around child safeguarding. See www.transgendertrend.com/ for ideas.
Over here the only political party willing to start rolling things back has proved to be the Conservatives who are in power in the UK. All this happened over the last decade 'on their watch'. In the devolved countries e.g. Scotland they are currently trying to pass laws which would be in conflict with overarching UK Law but instead of stopping this, the UK Government lets things run its course and they don't get slapped down as being 'beyond their powers' until millions of taxpayers' money has been wasted.
Good luck it now feels like the UK has resisted the most in the English-speaking western liberal democracies.

Labor is going to be totally beholden to the Greens. www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results/senate

The greens have. O interest in the safety of women and children coming first.

Some Australian doctors are concerned. Hopefully they are/will be in the majority.

drdylanwilson.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-australias-doctors?s=r&utm_medium=web