Free beer for men at Bills' restaurant

Also agree. It makes you look quite hard work OP

My thoughts are that this sort of thing is going to make people think that women who raise genuine concerns about gender ideology are all batshit and shouldn't be listened to.

I couldn't agree more. This sort of reaction is embarrassing, frankly.

I used to work for a big company's social media on live chat and honestly this is just another day at the office- I doubt they've given it much thought. I used to get paid more for sitting on my arse than those sweating away and running around in the restaurants as well so meh.

I get the point you're trying to make OP but personally for me I wouldn't be arsed about this, just seems petty.

I think whoever handled that live chat was brilliant. Well done them. Such a hoopla over a nice, marketing offer.

My first thoughts are that this sort of thing is best left to the usual suspects ie TRAs otherwise we risk looking as batshit as them. I take the point that transmen rarely make this sort of fuss but not sure we should be encouraging it. Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

I'm not sure what hassling the customer service staff of Bill's restaurant is meant to achieve. What is your desired outcome here?

Actually while I agree with pp this it's not a top priority, now often have businesses had to deal with the concept of something for men also being for women?

I'm not sure it's too bad a thing to raise it. Maybe the person on the other end of the chat isn't the one to be caught up in it, but the whole self-ID thing involves zero inclusion of women, unlike the other way around. Even on this thread someone has assumed that a trans man has had surgery. No. A trans man is any woman who says she is. Which is the whole point. The stakes aren't as high generally if women is as men, however, if it could hit the coffers of business then it might get some more people to think about what self-ID actually means re trans and that the idea of someone with dysphoria plus horrific surgery is no longer what it means.

You're being ridiculous.

I feel sorry for the poor person on the live chat. Proably on minmum wage, and really not deserving of a random engaging with them to try and get a Gotcha out of it.

My thoughts are that this sort of thing is going to make people think that women who raise genuine concerns about gender ideology are all batshit and shouldn't be listened to.

Although thinking again, I thought that nightclubs had been sued for letting women in without a covercharge, whilst making men pay?

So whilst I doubt anyone's going to go after it (because it's men benefiting, lets face it, and women just tend not to be that self-centred around these things), I don't actually think it's an allowed exception under the equality act

I don't mind dads getting free beer on fathers day.

BUT. If they allow transmen and men to get the free beer, they're on dodgy territory I'd have thought, should someone want to challenge it, as gender is not a protected characteristic (ie. they could do it by sex, or by gender re-assignment, but there is no protected characteristic to cover some of a sex plus some of gender re-assignment).

Its probably 1 free beer with a meal purchase, like they give out glasses of cava to women on mothers day.

Really couldn't get het up about this tbh.

What I mean is, I'd expect to see all over Twitter trans women saying that they were outraged, or saddened, or that it was literal violence, or whatever, at Bills offering women free stuff. Whereas in this case, I don't see an outpouring of outrage on SM from trans men.

It seems that transmen are included. It's potentially transwomen and AMAB non-binary people with pre-transition children who may feel excluded - it's their day because they're fathers, but they may not want to accept a beer that's for men. The pudding day is more inclusive, since anyone can be "like a mother" to someone else.

In reality, though, I'm sure they'll serve anyone who's willing to say they're a man. Even Patrick Harvie reportedly can't reliably detect non-men 100% of the time.

If it's for mothers/fathers day then lone parents should qualify for both

Yep I get the stereotype issue!

What I mean is, I'd expect to see all over Twitter trans women saying that they were outraged, or saddened, or that it was literal violence, or whatever, at Bills offering women free stuff.
Whereas in this case, I don't see an outpouring of outrage on SM from trans men.

if there’s anything to be upset about here it’s probably the gender stereotypes attached to the offer really

Exactly. I'm no fan of Prosecco, either. Hate the assumption that women should automatically like sweet, sparkly things.

I thought this too if there’s anything to be upset about here it’s probably the gender stereotypes attached to the offer really

It's a bit annoying that beer = for blokes and pudding = for the laydeez.

I would far rather have a beer - in fact if I am out with family I often order another pint while they are having puddings!

(I realise that's not the point of the thread)

A couple of years ago a supermarket was offering a free hot drink to men on Father’s Day. My mother knows the cafe workers and joked that she could just identity as a man. They said it her “sure , why not” and she got her free cup of tea.

They’re probably paid minimum wage or not much more, won’t be the policy decider, and it’s not really their issue or their job..

If you feel there’s an element of discrimination take it up with the complaints department. They’ll probably be more able to escalate it to the appropriate people for you to get a straight answer, rather than someone on their live chat who usually answers questions about bookings and if there’s a gluten free menu

I suppose I would ask why you're bothering someone working on the chat function of a chain restaurant and expecting them to give you a nuanced and reasoned answer.

But Tania 64 said trans men aren't excluded.

But many places do a free Prosecco for Mother’s Day. Of all the potential issues this isn’t one.

Mostly because the marketing I saw actually says “dads, grandads and general top
blokes” while I looked up what they did for Mother’s Day and it was a free dessert for “ anyone who has been like a mother to you”

where’s the issue here? I don’t see it.