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Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson

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teawamutu · 01/06/2022 10:09

Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt.

Please god, no...

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NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 14:42

A woman is an adult human female, as has been said by me and others on this thread.
A man is an adult human male.

What is your definition of woman jgw1, if you don't understand the definition that has been given?

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:39

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:27

It is interesting, there are very many textbooks on this and there definitions do not all agree.
What I am interested in is whether those who go on about Boris or whoever knowing what a woman is, what they actually mean.
So far on this thread no one has been able to tell me.

It is quite clear that the people on this thread who say "at least Boris knows what a woman is" mean that a woman is an adult human female. They do not think that an adult human male who "identifies" as a woman is a woman. The people on this thread are not confused by the definition. If you can't comprehend this meaning then there is not much more any of us can do to help you out really.

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:27

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:10

What makes someone female?

Why don't you go and look in a text book if you want to know so badly.

It is interesting, there are very many textbooks on this and there definitions do not all agree.
What I am interested in is whether those who go on about Boris or whoever knowing what a woman is, what they actually mean.
So far on this thread no one has been able to tell me.

MagnoliaTaint · 02/06/2022 14:14

Is sex binary for all animals?

Are friends electric?

What starsign is Dolly the Sheep?

What does other animals' reproductive system have to do with humans?

Sex is dichotomous for humans. That's it.

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1dayatatime · 02/06/2022 14:11

Rightsraptor · 01/06/2022 10:55

Penny 'chocolate teapot' Mordaunt? Please God - no.

What's she done of late (ever?) to merit inclusion in the list of possibles for the greatest office of state? Tell me, someone. One thing. Just one.

One thing?

The one thing she has been getting right it to have done absolutely nothing. Which given the piss poor / incompetent alternative candidates means she has been getting absolutely nothing wrong.

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:10

What makes someone female?

Why don't you go and look in a text book if you want to know so badly.

Feelingoktoday · 02/06/2022 14:09

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 13:34

Is sex binary for all animals?

Here we go again. Someone thinking they are clever. Woman is the same definition we have understood for many many years.

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:07

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:07

Humans are not animals

What are they if they are not animals?

Aliens I presume.

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:07

Humans are not animals

What are they if they are not animals?

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:06

Cuck00soup · 02/06/2022 14:02

Humans are not animals. Women are not clownfish.

Woman are the adult human females some unkind people think shouldn't be allowed their own safe spaces.

Nadim Zahawi, Sajid Khan and Liz Truss get it. Whether Jeremy Hunt does is an interesting question.

What makes someone female?

Cuck00soup · 02/06/2022 14:02

Humans are not animals. Women are not clownfish.

Woman are the adult human females some unkind people think shouldn't be allowed their own safe spaces.

Nadim Zahawi, Sajid Khan and Liz Truss get it. Whether Jeremy Hunt does is an interesting question.

Fluffymule · 02/06/2022 14:01

I know the leader doesn't have to come from the current Cabinet, but it's interesting to look at the attached current league table showing net satisfaction ratings of Cabinet and Key party members within the Conservative party membership - according to Conservative Home. They run the poll each month.

Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson
jgw1 · 02/06/2022 13:34

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 12:05

jgw1

You are not confused at all - you are trying to bring people with dsd conditions in to try to make it seem as if sex isn't binary.

Woman = adult human female was perfectly adequate until about 5 minutes ago, when all of a sudden people started to pretend that they couldn't possibly tell who was male and who was female.

You asked me, 'what is a woman?' and I answered.

As you don't understand my answer, please do enlighten me as to what your answer to the same question would be.

Is sex binary for all animals?

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 12:05

jgw1

You are not confused at all - you are trying to bring people with dsd conditions in to try to make it seem as if sex isn't binary.

Woman = adult human female was perfectly adequate until about 5 minutes ago, when all of a sudden people started to pretend that they couldn't possibly tell who was male and who was female.

You asked me, 'what is a woman?' and I answered.

As you don't understand my answer, please do enlighten me as to what your answer to the same question would be.

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:25

That's interesting Kat. Does she have a marginal seat..? If so, she might have another reason to start shifting position. As ever though - deeds not words.

KatVonlabonk · 02/06/2022 11:18

She recently met and tweeted about meeting Sharron Davis on the sports issue. I think she is moving her position and I also think we need to leave a golden bridge.
I know it's hard, given what women have been through, but it is all about politics. Let politicians change their minds. This is what we want.

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 11:17

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:10

Gosh there are a fair few pigeons about these days all of a sudden

Aren't there?

The faux-naif bit is always the giveaway, I find.

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ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:10

Gosh there are a fair few pigeons about these days all of a sudden

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 10:59

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 09:44

jgw1

A woman is......an adult human female.

In the same way as a mare is an adult female horse, a ewe is an adult female sheep etc

Female being 'of the sex class that produces large gametes and gestates young', whether that function works or not.

I am a little confused by your definition. By female do you mean an adult with XX chromosomes? Or those who produce large gametes which of course includes some who are XY.

MarshaBradyo · 02/06/2022 09:46

Was it just her or her in a range of people?

I don’t know much about her but don’t want it be someone who believes this

Not sure why she’s a good bet - do people back her particularly?

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 09:44

jgw1

A woman is......an adult human female.

In the same way as a mare is an adult female horse, a ewe is an adult female sheep etc

Female being 'of the sex class that produces large gametes and gestates young', whether that function works or not.

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:31

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 09:27

What is a woman?

Adult human female per any decent dictionary, old-fashioned kind with wombs per Ricky Gervais, female of any age per Equality Act 2010.

Not ever a male with ladyfeelz.

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jgw1 · 02/06/2022 09:27

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

Does Jeremy Hunt know what a woman is?

What is a woman?

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

Does Jeremy Hunt know what a woman is?

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teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

aweegc · 02/06/2022 05:17

Strategically, knowing what a woman is is only an advantage if you're needing to gain points against Labour (or, theoretically, another TWAW party).

In the leadership election it's not going to be that much of an issue, because the party aren't that bothered by it.

It may be useful, if not joining the party to vote, to write to Tory MPs making sure they know it IS an issue and a reason for voting Tory.

This is a very good idea.

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