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Anti-trans spin from RMW

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Crazylazydayz · 31/05/2022 22:09

There is a difference between being supporting women’s rights and anti-trans.

In this article RMW is misrepresenting a whole raft of women who are fighting for women’s rights as being anti trans.

novaramedia.com/2022/05/31/a-barrister-explains-why-employment-tribunals-are-a-new-trans-rights-battlefield/

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/06/2022 01:21

Every now and then Magdalen's voice pops into my head.

"so woke their brains fell out"

TheBiologyStupid · 01/06/2022 00:39

Indeed. I was more concerned that the article might be tweaked to remove any embarrassing phrases that might cross the BSB line. But too late for that kind of shenanigans now - what a shame.

LunaLights · 01/06/2022 00:38

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:37

Oh, here we go.

😂🤣

Redshoeblueshoe · 01/06/2022 00:34

TheBiologyStupid - that's handy - just in case someone decides it wasn't them.

Have we still got the bingo card of excuses ? We could add 'I thought the case was over and the transphobic bitches had all been sent for re-education'

TheBiologyStupid · 01/06/2022 00:28

Oops, meant to add that I see that the article has been archived for posterity: web.archive.org/web/20220531224146/novaramedia.com/2022/05/31/a-barrister-explains-why-employment-tribunals-are-a-new-trans-rights-battlefield/

unwashedanddazed · 01/06/2022 00:27

It's interesting that the GC approach of bringing issues into the sunlight is frowned upon in this article. Nice contrast to the underhand tactics of Press for Change and the Dentons recommendations to hide changes to the law by tacking trans policies into more popular legislation such as gay marriage.

Both tactics prove the actual facts are unpalatable to most people.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/06/2022 00:24

Penguintears · 01/06/2022 00:11

I don't think there is a strict rule about not discussing an ongoing case but as we know barristers have professional duties to uphold and the bar standards board rules. They have to act with honesty, integrity and independence and not mislead. In addition, if a barrister were to label someone e.g. "anti-trans" there could be a claim in defamation, particularly as someone like Allison Bailey has demonstrated that she is not anti-trans but she believes in the material reality of biological sex.

In essence, even if its not strictly prohibited it certainly is unprofessional to give such a biased and misleading account.

Yes, the BSB might well consider having a look at RMW's contribution to the article.

Penguintears · 01/06/2022 00:11

I don't think there is a strict rule about not discussing an ongoing case but as we know barristers have professional duties to uphold and the bar standards board rules. They have to act with honesty, integrity and independence and not mislead. In addition, if a barrister were to label someone e.g. "anti-trans" there could be a claim in defamation, particularly as someone like Allison Bailey has demonstrated that she is not anti-trans but she believes in the material reality of biological sex.

In essence, even if its not strictly prohibited it certainly is unprofessional to give such a biased and misleading account.

BunnyBerries · 31/05/2022 23:54

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:37

Oh, here we go.

Grin
Feelingoktoday · 31/05/2022 23:52

I wonder if the judge at the Bailey case is aware of this article. I find it incredible that they think it is ok to talk about a legal case whilst it is in court.

PermanentTemporary · 31/05/2022 23:44

If you're in hospital, like overnight, these days for breaking your leg, that's a really bad break. You might have multiple traumas after an accident. The trauma wards in the hospital I work at have single sex bays plus some side rooms which are under huge pressure because of Covid
You're likely to need help getting mobile, gettung dressed, you might have a catheter. Is RMW unable to understand that her whole body is sexed and so is every patient body on the ward?

Tallisker · 31/05/2022 23:40

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:37

Oh, here we go.

Grin
Redshoeblueshoe · 31/05/2022 23:38

Maya has commented on Twitter. ❤

dinosauriam · 31/05/2022 23:33

Redshoeblueshoe · 31/05/2022 23:18

You naughty women - didn't you know you needed permission before giving away your hard earned cash

😂I want to know when we will get reimbursed. If politicians had done their jobs properly, the existing law would never have been so wilfully misinterpreted across the board.

Redshoeblueshoe · 31/05/2022 23:18

You naughty women - didn't you know you needed permission before giving away your hard earned cash

pombear · 31/05/2022 23:16

Crazylazydayz · 31/05/2022 23:09

I support people with gender dysphoria living their lives and believe they should be treated with dignity and respect. I am concerned about males with paraphilia’s using the trans umbrella to remove hard won womens rights, including single sex places.

Articles like this that paint an untrue picture of the issues push me towards a harder line in the sand on single sex spaces. For example I’ve always been open to TW using womens public toilets but now I am viewing this as the thin end of the wedge.

Totally agree with dignity and respect Crazylazydayz.

That dignity and respect is important in life wherever possible, but when the clash of conflicting rights around dignity and respect for two groups of people comes into stark view, like it did for me today watching ScotGov rep asking the question about her Muslim mother - the thin edge of the wedge has been knocked out of the door, and the very thick and demanding other end of the wedge is plain to see.

ZandathePanda · 31/05/2022 23:09

As I said on the other thread on rmw,
Is this allowed? I didn’t think they could talk about the case - isn’t there a summing up bit in late June?

Crazylazydayz · 31/05/2022 23:09

I support people with gender dysphoria living their lives and believe they should be treated with dignity and respect. I am concerned about males with paraphilia’s using the trans umbrella to remove hard won womens rights, including single sex places.

Articles like this that paint an untrue picture of the issues push me towards a harder line in the sand on single sex spaces. For example I’ve always been open to TW using womens public toilets but now I am viewing this as the thin end of the wedge.

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pombear · 31/05/2022 23:08

CatsOperatingInGangs · 31/05/2022 22:42

😂

Also only just got this reference - genius!

pombear · 31/05/2022 23:06

KimikosNightmare · 31/05/2022 22:59

It's in the introduction to the interview, which I assume was written by Moya Lothian-McLean rather than RMW. I didn't read past it.

Ah sorry, didn't clock it was that specific quote you were referencing. I'm just so cross this evening, after watching the Amnesty rep at the Scotland Gov consultation comparing a Muslim woman wanting a female doctor to those with racist views, and then seeing the latest report from US prisons.

This article was the final argh! Off to decompress!

pombear · 31/05/2022 23:02

RMW: The carrot side of it is that with better policies, if you’re a service provider, you’re more likely to delight a service user for getting it ‘right’.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by recognising my sex by using clear language, giving me the option to select 'sex', whilst still giving those who believe in gender ideology an option to declare their 'gender identity' without forcing me to declare a belief I don't hold.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by recognising sex as a protected characteristic as well as gender reassignment.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by holding the line in whatever message or product they've released that's then declared 'transphobic' by 'dickwarlock; and any other furries' avatars and the like on social media demanding they change it/stop it!

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 23:01

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:51

NM: Is it a coincidence that discrimination tribunals are becoming a battlefield for trans rights?

RW: It’s not like there’s a centre to a web of [conspiracy], but it is more like a neural net. For example, watching the Bailey case – because you, as a member of the public, can turn up and watch the case virtually – we have people like Ann Sinnott, who runs something called the Authentic Equity Alliance, who’s definitely part of the anti-trans movement.

Well we also had Jaz turned up, who likes to post on social media pictures on a bed surrounded by butt plugs. So not sure what this demonstrates apart from 'people like to turn up to watch tribunals which they're interested in'?

Ahh… isn’t that individual an elf? Or is that just sometimes? Maybe they don’t count in RW’s eyes?

KimikosNightmare · 31/05/2022 22:59

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:56

Most of the things I'm quoting appear to come directly from RMW!

It's in the introduction to the interview, which I assume was written by Moya Lothian-McLean rather than RMW. I didn't read past it.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:57

RMW: There are so many better ways of advancing the position of women – think of all the good you could do with the £500,000 Bailey has raised for tribunal.

Think of all the good all the organisations who've paid money to Stonewall could have done with their fees, instead of paying for an organisation to police their policies and employees.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:56

KimikosNightmare · 31/05/2022 22:54

To be fair to RMW it's Moya Lothian-McLean who doesn't know her gamut from her guantlet.

Most of the things I'm quoting appear to come directly from RMW!