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Skidamarinkadink · 31/05/2022 09:11

Hi, lurker who loves hanging out here and learning from you fabulous ladies. Trying to unpack something I've just seen. An event at work covering each letter in LGBT to raise awareness or whatever. Good start as the events seem to actually cover each letter separately.

I noticed at the T event, the speaker describes herself as a "transgender female" which is obviously meaningless. Or at least to me means, transgender man. But definitely a transwoman going by the rest of the description and photo.

I don't really know what I'm asking, perhaps this is common now to avoid the word woman as perhaps it is seen as toxic?

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 04/06/2022 08:19

Igneococcus · 01/06/2022 06:04

'Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.'

If that's true, how can someone be in the "wrong body" that needs fixing?

There you go, using logic again. So bigoted!

Igneococcus · 01/06/2022 06:04

'Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.'

If that's true, how can someone be in the "wrong body" that needs fixing?

GoodThinkingMax · 01/06/2022 05:25

perhaps she uses transgender female to differentiate herself as someone who has undergone full medical transition.

I very much doubt it.

Nasty colonising patriarchal misogynist more like, trying to take all our words.

LeniGray · 31/05/2022 22:49

Advanced Hand Assessment and Management? 🤔

derob · 31/05/2022 22:11

So - I think this is the person you're talking about (googled the bio). Based on this article, I'm not so sure the talk will that enlightening.... www.linkedin.com/pulse/transgender-101-rebecca-connolly/

Skidamarinkadink · 31/05/2022 21:51

Qualifications...
Currently doing Phd
MSc Psychology
NMP: Non Medical Prescribing
Point of Care Ultrasound (level 1)
European Paediatric Advanced Life Support -
Advanced Life Support -
Advanced Hand Assessment and Management
UCPD Forensic and Legal Medicine
Emergency Surgical Skills
Trauma x-ray interpretation
DipHE Paramedic Practice
BA (Hons) Japanese and Marketing
Japanese Language

Plus a career in the police, a paramedic, currently working on 2 emergency wards while doing PhD.

Might not be a traditional academic, but that's quite an interesting career. So I'm intrigued to hear what she has to say on her 'lived experience' as trans. I'd rather hear about the more interesting stuff she's been doing in her line of work tbh. Seems to have done well, so will find out what barriers she claims to have encountered and at what... point in her career they started to happen

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Skidamarinkadink · 31/05/2022 21:43

Their job history was a bit more coloured than that, but the psych specialisms I thought would be of particular interest here.

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Metabigot · 31/05/2022 17:56

Artichokeleaves · 31/05/2022 17:33

You can't say female now to mean what it used to

Well some people will try to tell you that you can't.

You don't have to do as they say.

It's like the word 'homophobia'. I have listened for a long time trying to work out some shared meaning with people who insist it doesn't mean 'prejudice against same sex relationships' but.... something else, and that I'm definitely homophobic as a lesbian for saying.... homosexuality is about sex... or something...

In the end I have had to regretfully conclude that after much trying to believe this was in good faith and trying to understand that I still have no idea what they mean by their different version of 'homophobia', and I also conclude that they don't either. They can't explain it, they don't know what they mean any more than I do. So I am going back to what I understand the word means and what everyone else successfully understands the word as meaning and if some people don't like this, then it's their problem rather than mine.

'Woman' has been similarly trashed. Also 'inclusion' and 'kind' and 'diversity'. Queering really as far as I can see just means 'mess up to no purpose with no gain other than having caused confusion and chaos and exerted personal control'. Not my thing really. I don't see anything good there.

I was mildly ironic, of course I can say whatever I want to name something, but the whole point of language is that it has to mean the same thing in the head of the sender and the the head of the receiver for it to work properly.

So I can say 'woman' to mean well, whatever it used to mean in ye olden days, but much more of this nonsense and it will only be a limited number of people who understand it the way I mean it.

I did naively think that 'female' would retain its meaning of human of the gestating variety but nope that one is on the way out now too.

nepeta · 31/05/2022 17:34

The goal is to have zero words that would mean an individual who belongs to the female sex. Fascinatingly, nothing similar seems to be the goal when it comes to the male sex. They are still called men and boys. I have never seen 'a transgender male' used for a trans man.

This is all interesting as a natural experiment on how sexism is everywhere in the society, including inside the heads of many women, and how this results in unequal outcomes for women (adults of the female sex)

Artichokeleaves · 31/05/2022 17:33

You can't say female now to mean what it used to

Well some people will try to tell you that you can't.

You don't have to do as they say.

It's like the word 'homophobia'. I have listened for a long time trying to work out some shared meaning with people who insist it doesn't mean 'prejudice against same sex relationships' but.... something else, and that I'm definitely homophobic as a lesbian for saying.... homosexuality is about sex... or something...

In the end I have had to regretfully conclude that after much trying to believe this was in good faith and trying to understand that I still have no idea what they mean by their different version of 'homophobia', and I also conclude that they don't either. They can't explain it, they don't know what they mean any more than I do. So I am going back to what I understand the word means and what everyone else successfully understands the word as meaning and if some people don't like this, then it's their problem rather than mine.

'Woman' has been similarly trashed. Also 'inclusion' and 'kind' and 'diversity'. Queering really as far as I can see just means 'mess up to no purpose with no gain other than having caused confusion and chaos and exerted personal control'. Not my thing really. I don't see anything good there.

itwasntmetho · 31/05/2022 15:38

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1531191329656553472

Fenlandia · 31/05/2022 13:28

It's trying to reinforce people's vague and incorrect notion that humans can actually change sex

Metabigot · 31/05/2022 13:24

Yup you can't say female now to mean what it used to.

Same with 'natal woman'...now AFAB of something.

Although by that logic can you be AFAB and then become a transfemale?

Oh, just remembered, no logic with trans ideology!

standoctor · 31/05/2022 13:23

"Just looking up this person as she seems to be quite clever based on job and academic history."
She did psychology a worthless easy degree that is not respected in the business environment.

standoctor · 31/05/2022 13:21

"For me, I try not to use any of their terms because I don't follow the ideology and it obscures reality, making it harder to communicate."
Agree.
What ever you say will offend someone or someone who pretend to be offended to show they are oh so very woke.
So I just do not bother

WallaceinAnderland · 31/05/2022 13:17

Head of Trans inclusion at Stonewall, Kirrin Medcalf told a judge, under oath, that 'Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.'

MangyInseam · 31/05/2022 13:07

I've been seeing "transgender female" quite a bit more often recently. It is confusing, and I think probably in many cases an attempt to push the idea, or is a reflection of the belief, that trans is a kind of intersex category.

Melroses · 31/05/2022 11:45

thecritic.co.uk/language-truth-and-logic/

I have just read this about Stella Creasy's use of the term 'Adult human female' in the Telegraph at the weekend.

It is very good about explaining the term "conceptual engineering" which is what is happening here.

The term "female" that is a recognised term for biological sex across the animal and plant kingdoms is being re-engineered and removed from its connection with biological sex

itwasntmetho · 31/05/2022 11:27

Male and female are still biological sex categories, a transfemale would surely mean transmas/ TIF.

Skidamarinkadink · 31/05/2022 11:19

Definitely fascinating specialism given .. everything. I'll go along and see what she has to say for 2 hours (!)

This is an external speaker by the way, not someone who works here. The three other speakers (who appear to be a gay man, lesbian woman and bisexual woman) work for an org called 'inclusive employers' so I guess its organised via them. The trans person doesn't, and works for the NHS but has published academic papers on trans issues in medical practice I think.

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heathspeedwell · 31/05/2022 10:20

I wonder if all that time studying body language will have paid off in this person's manner, or if you'll just witness tired 'female' clichés like a head tilt.

ElenaSt · 31/05/2022 10:16

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 31/05/2022 10:13

I've seen this creeping into newspaper articles a lot lately.

It was predicted when they demanded the word woman, and very deliberate.

OldCrone · 31/05/2022 10:02

'Transgender female' is now used (particularly in the US, I think) to mean a male person who identifies as transgender.

transgender female
female person who was assigned male at birth
www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1052281

This article uses 'transgender female' in that way:
www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/us/lia-thomas-women-sports.html

Ms. Navratilova argues that transgender female athletes possess insurmountable biological advantages.

'Transgender female' athletes possess biological advantages because they are male. I think this abuse of language is because most people will read 'transgender female' and think it means a woman who identifies as transgender.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 31/05/2022 09:56

Just looking up this person as she seems to be quite clever based on job and academic history.

Honestly, up until Allison Bailey's tribunal, I'd have found biographies interesting and indicative. Having seen the gulf between the biographies of the QCs from Garden Court Chambers who testified and just how they came across in their witness statements and under cross-examination, I'll reduce my weighting of biographies and glittering CVs, academic histories in the future.