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Trans activists hound Nadhim Zahawi off university campus

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ChristinaXYZ · 30/05/2022 20:07

"Trans activists have hounded Nadhim Zahawi off a Russell Group campus, accusing him of “inciting hatred” by defining women as “adult human females”, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Education Secretary was met with dozens of student protesters chanting “Zahawi is a transphobe” and “Tory scum” while visiting the University of Warwick on Friday.

The Cabinet minister had to be ushered away from campus by security guards in dramatic scenes, as he was pursued by activists brandishing trans flags and placards."

Read more and see video on Telegraph's website

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/30/watch-trans-activists-hound-nadhim-zahawi-university-campus/

and on twitter

twitter.com/ewansomerville/status/1531339153958440961

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Boiledbeetle · 31/05/2022 12:21

@MissyB1 Some people have the inteligence and capacity for listening to and acknowledging another perspective (even if they disagree with it), some people don't - they are bloody hard work!

God aren't they just. Lately this whole thing had been like reliving the South African apples debacle on loop!

MissyB1 · 31/05/2022 11:56

Boiledbeetle · 31/05/2022 01:08

I remember getting a masterclass in calm reasonable debate at the tender age of 7 whilst staying with my very very religious protestant, on every church committee, granny

I assume it was an act of rebellion by my mother, mind you, to get me christened Roman Catholic, at least the other granny was happy with that!

Anyway one afternoon just after lunch the doorbell rang and there stood two young American gentlemen with a religious book in their hand and matching name tags. Of course granny being granny, every moment is a teaching moment, invited the gentlemen in. It was dark when they left.

There had been no raised voices, no accusations of one or the other being wrong. Just many many hours of interesting debate and an exchanging of informational leaflets.

Now whilst I don't think granny learnt much that day, after all she could already suck eggs! those two young gentleman did. And I having no skin in the game religion wise learnt a really good lesson in taking the time to listen to the other side opinion.

On the other hand a trip to Tesco with my mother once resulted in the shop assistant in the fruit aisle screaming at my mother because my mother had asked her very politely why the apples were from South Africa? And did they have any from somewhere else as many mother refused to buy them on principle.

A ten minute rant from the assistant ensued with her calling my mother all sorts of things whilst my mother tried to calmly explain the situation as to why she didn't wish to purchase South African apples. Eventually the shop manager arrived and dragged the screaming banshee away!

Two occasions, two differing sets of opinions. Two completely different reactions. Both educational in in very different ways! I know which I preferred though!

Some people have the inteligence and capacity for listening to and acknowledging another perspective (even if they disagree with it), some people don't - they are bloody hard work!

Artichokeleaves · 31/05/2022 11:46

'Transphobic dog whistle' has just become nothing more than a lazy attempt to silence someone from voicing something the lobby doesn't want to hear or have to address. It's just another version of 'no debate'.

Considering transphobic now means nothing more than 'not in enthusiastic agreement with me' it's pretty much no longer worth worrying about, or accepting as meaning 'you have hit my boundary on acceptability'.

When a boundary is just 'do exactly what I say or else' without any respect for anyone else's boundary, it's cutted up pear pretending to be a boundary. And needs handling in much the same way.

MangyInseam · 31/05/2022 11:42

Appalonia · 31/05/2022 06:50

On the subject of 'transphobic dogwhistles', on the Jeremy Vine show a while ago, there was a non binary woman who compared using 'adult human female' to racist football supporters throwing a banana onto a football pitch, ie, saying that although there's nothing inherently racist about a banana per se, the intent is clear.

Bit of a stretch....

It's changed it's meaning in such a way that it can be used to characterize any statement someone doesn't like as a covert racist plot.

TWAW would totally fit by that thinking, it's a phrase that is meant to lead in a particular direction intellectually, and it's also recognized by supporters of the view as a standard kind of trope.

But actually, both statements are pretty up front about what they mean, they make an argument of sorts, which some people will agree with and others not. It's potentially possible to convince someone of your view on that matter.

Andante57 · 31/05/2022 11:33

One of the protesters was Joel Cooper, son of Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper. Maybe fear of being cancelled by her son is why Yvette refuses to define a woman.

GoodThinkingMax · 31/05/2022 11:05

But then I don't imagine the young women at the centre of the rape chat scandal felt safe. Warwick has form for failing to protect students from other students.

well quite.

FrancescaContini · 31/05/2022 10:05

DdraigGoch · 31/05/2022 09:57

A Department for Education source said: "This proves the need for the Freedom of Speech Bill and is more evidence against those who say there is no such thing as a chilling culture on campus."

Well at least someone at the DfE has noticed.

That’s excellent. Hoisted by their own petard, hopefully.

Warwick joins Bristol as a place my DC won’t be applying to.

Mmmnotsure · 31/05/2022 10:03

Are the words adult human male ever used?

Artichokeleaves · 31/05/2022 10:03

What a lot of very good girls. Sigh.

I find this beyond sad, I really do.

FrancescaContini · 31/05/2022 10:03

I don’t understand how these young people get into university in the first place. They really don’t sound very bright.

FannyCann · 31/05/2022 10:01

Cross post @DdraigGoch Smile

FannyCann · 31/05/2022 10:00

"A Department for Education source said: "This proves the need for the Freedom of Speech Bill and is more evidence against those who say there is no such thing as a chilling culture on campus."

Definitely an own goal.
The sad thing is peaceful protest is also likely to be impacted.

How times have changed. Just 3-4 years ago young women at Warwick were campaigning about rape culture and the WhatsApp scandal. Now it is young women protesting for the erasure if their sex. The photo accompanying the article showed all young women as far as one could tell.

Trans activists hound Nadhim Zahawi off university campus
DdraigGoch · 31/05/2022 09:57

A Department for Education source said: "This proves the need for the Freedom of Speech Bill and is more evidence against those who say there is no such thing as a chilling culture on campus."

Well at least someone at the DfE has noticed.

Artichokeleaves · 31/05/2022 09:43

It's a free country where people should be free to hold and express their beliefs, even extremist beliefs, but the limits are attempting to control and enforce one belief system on others. The limit of personal freedoms are other people's rights and freedoms, and that is where the balance has been lost.

The absolute arrogance and intolerance of this group and the belief in their absolute right to punish, harass and control to enforce that no one dares thwart them, their fixed belief that they do not have to tolerate anyone or anything existing that in any way is not in keeping with and compliant with their personal beliefs and choices? That is what needs putting back in its a box with a strong hand. What the belief actually is, is irrelevant.

This is a multi faith country, religious tolerance is within the law, would the government please kindly enforce the bloody law. I sincerely hope seeing this extremism and indulged behaviour first hand opens the cabinet's eyes and gets them off their bottoms.

And I am painfully aware that if any party other than the bloody tory shower get into power we will see this religious extremism become a fixed part of the law before we've had time to blink.

Basketet · 31/05/2022 09:09

As a politician who has been discriminated against all his life, I wonder what he makes of this absurd first world 'problem'. These campaigners really need to get a grip - maybe a week or two in the wilderness or living in absolute poverty would give them some perspective and grounding? Sheer idiocy.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/05/2022 08:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 07:44

They don’t do succinct and punchy very well, do they

No, it is not a hallmark of this movement to be pithy or write elegant prose.

Indeed not. Very poor standard of English in that statement. 'That' used repeatedly instead of 'who'. This is a very minor detail given the matter of the news reports, but it irked me.

When I was a student, a million years ago, the largest and most active political society on campus was the Federation of Conservative Students. They were probably enjoying a boost from Mrs Thatcher's recent election victory and certainly benefited from the lack of unity on the left. The Labour Club was tiny and in the process of being taken over by Militant Tendency. The student wing of the SWP and various other extreme left groups were very vocal at Student Union meetings, but never acted in any concerted way to actually achieve anything. I remember those meetings as quite noisy and heated, but there was no violence, unless you count the nickname given to a prominent Tory student at the time who later became a government minister. Even now I'm afraid I think of him as John Shittingdale. Grin

SpindleSheWrote · 31/05/2022 08:08

I rather imagine this thuggish minority of middle-class losers have a history of hating their mothers, possibly to a pathological degree, and think it's exciting to be playing at urban guerillas.

To think that many Greenham women did jail time for so much less. I remember being chased by the police when we were just tying ribbons to the perimeter, and two of our group were arrested. (What is it about women with ribbons that's so terrifying?!) This lot, the TRA extremists, seem to have been given immunity from police action though. Why? Why have so many different police forces seemingly adopted this policy of 'don't disperse, don't interfere, don't arrest'?

tabbycatstripy · 31/05/2022 07:58

I can’t imagine having been a student Conservative, but they are being treated terribly by their peers here. They have a right to invite mainstream speakers to talk to them about their politics. People can protest at a distance but this wasn’t that.

KittenKong · 31/05/2022 07:44

When I was a student - some politician came to our campus and there were cuts being proposed.

We gathered and booed (chanted and swore). Got a bollocking from the Head for acting like wee thugs.

Is the head here scared of the wee students?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 07:44

They don’t do succinct and punchy very well, do they

No, it is not a hallmark of this movement to be pithy or write elegant prose.

PonyPatter44 · 31/05/2022 07:25

I cant stand Zahawi, he's thick and unctuous. However, this is unacceptable behaviour by the cretin students. #nodebate doesn't mean 'won't debate', it means cant debate. They have no debating skills, no ability to see the other side of a question, no capacity for critical thought. It is horrifying that a proper uni like Warwick thinks this is OK.

FannyCann · 31/05/2022 07:23

It has been brought to our attention over the past few weeks that the Warwick Conservative Association is running an external speaker event, inviting Nadhim Zahawi,

Would this have been a student Conservative Association?

Brave students who may well feel unsafe on campus.

But then I don't imagine the young women at the centre of the rape chat scandal felt safe. Warwick has form for failing to protect students from other students.

MrsMidClegs · 31/05/2022 07:19

Times coverage this morning : www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cb684882-e05f-11ec-8bdd-c253e043f5f0?shareToken=03748f4384461f31563eb2519551ee11

Again the mention of a blow landing on one of the officials.

Thuggery doesn't win hearts and mind, boys.

TullyApplebottom · 31/05/2022 06:57

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 21:06

Statement prior to the visit:

www.facebook.com/warwickpride

'STATEMENT REGARDING EXTERNAL SPEAKER NADHIM ZAHAWI 🏳️‍⚧️
TW: Transphobia, SA, abuse, homelessness
It has been brought to our attention over the past few weeks that the Warwick Conservative Association is running an external speaker event, inviting Nadhim Zahawi, the Conservative Secretary of State for Education, to campus on Friday the 27th of May.
Towards the beginning of this academic year Nadhim Zahawi said the following regarding former Sussex University Professor Kathleen Stock, a notorious transphobe that is a signatory to the WDI (Women's Declaration International formerly known as the WHRC) "Declaration on Women's Sex-Based Rights", that published the transphobic book "Material Girls", that is a trustee of the LGB Alliance:
“It was unacceptable that a scholar of her calibre should be hounded out of university. For me that was just a terrible stain on the history of that great university.”
The WDI declaration argues for the legal elimination of transgender people. Quite frankly, Kathleen Stock's behaviour as well as the university's reaction is the only real "stain" on Sussex University concerning this incident.
Zahawi plays a significant role in institutional transphobia as education secretary for the UK, working alongside the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) to produce guidelines for schools and teachers on how they should treat trans students.
Concerning Zahawi's view on trans students, he said the following:
"Parents have to be front and centre of this. And that is my message to the front line is to say: you have to involve parents in this. You have a duty to safeguard those children and parents are very much part of that."
Zahawi trivialises the detrimental impact of outing LGBTQUIA+ youth to their parents; he is putting them at risk of abuse and homelessness.
According to the Albert Kennedy Trust (AKT) LGBTQ+ Youth Homelessness Report (2021):
-One in 6 (16%) who were happy to answer were forced to do sexual acts against their will by family members before becoming homeless
-Almost two thirds (61%) who were happy to answer felt frightened or threatened by their family members before they became homeless
-Half (50%) who were happy to answer said they feared expressing their LGBTQ+ identity to family members would lead to them being evicted
Zahawi has also made very concerning comments regarding corporal punishment and has made other transphobic remarks such as using the common transphobic dog-whistle "adult human female".
This external speaker event clearly violates SU by-laws on Equality and Diversity, however, we cannot fault the SU for its inaction regarding our complaint about this event. Nadhim Zahawi being a government minister clearly puts them in a complex position if they were to cancel the external speaker event. However the notion that Zahawi does not incite hatred is ludicrous at best.
On Friday some Warwick Pride Exec plan to attend this external speaker event, attending with trans flags and the intention to ask Zahawi questions concerning the rights of trans people in the UK. Despite it being exam season, we would greatly appreciate it if you could join us. The tickets are free to all university students and can be easily accessed from the SU website.

“There is strong evidence that minorities experience greater levels of stress when their rights are being debated” - Dr Adam Jowett, the chair of the British Psychological Society’s Sexualities Section.
Given that transphobia is omnipresent in society, it is imperative for the mental well-being of trans students that the university make itself clear that it is indeed supportive of transgender individuals, and that reactionary harmful transphobic rhetoric will not go unopposed.
Trans rights are simply not up for debate, they are non-negotiable.
Warwick Pride, the LGBTQUIA+ Association
Warwick Pride does not condone any violent behaviour, especially relating to this event, and any acts of violence at this event are discouraged and not to be affiliated with us.'

They don’t do succinct and punchy very well, do they 😂

Swayingpalmtrees · 31/05/2022 06:51

How utterly outrageous that he was forced to leave because it was a security issue. Someone was actually hit on the back of the head.

This has to stop.

It is not okay to assault people just because they disagree with you.

I hope he will now see the issue is much more serious than the government have to now realised (although many others have far worse experiences simply trying to express their views). Toxic activists are literally shutting people down, and we need new laws to stop this kind of behaviour in its tracks.