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Sunday Times 'Justice system 'puts trans rights ahead of women'

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LK1972 · 30/05/2022 00:59

Justice system ‘puts trans rights ahead of women’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9ff5aaf6-df87-11ec-8bdd-c253e043f5f0?shareToken=8445ad90ef25f5e4dabba65b9e15a346

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LizzieSiddal · 30/05/2022 07:29

I too hope this report is acted on and very quickly. It’s insane to be in this position anyway but I expect we have Stonewall to thank for that. (Plus the idiots who listen to them).

Hoardasurass · 30/05/2022 07:26

I really hope that this is the beginning of the end of stonewall law

Datun · 30/05/2022 06:40

SpindleSheWrote · 30/05/2022 01:19

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10864613/Transgender-murderer-caught-having-drunken-sex-female-inmate.html

I really wish Dominic Raab would actually DO something about men in women's jails.

To paraphrase the recent words of a comedian, I mean the old-fashioned kind of men: the ones with cocks.

Ffs. Convicted killer is provided with incarcerated women as part of his sentence. Gets pissed and has sex in prison.

The prison service are unhinged misogynists.

ResisterRex · 30/05/2022 06:26

This is the most time deaf. Knowing what they've found, and knowing their job is to to know and enforce the law, and that this is about sex, not gender, THIS is what the police come up with:

"A spokesman for the National Police Chiefs’ Council said: “How gender is recorded is a matter for individual forces. However, as a general rule we will accept the details that a person provides to us, whether a victim, witness or suspect. Every effort will be made to establish someone’s gender identity if there is honestly held doubt about the information provided

“If gender is relevant to the case and its prospects for a criminal justice outcome, we have processes to obtain the relevant information, including medical records.”"

ResisterRex · 30/05/2022 06:24

I think the Telegraph had this first as theirs is time stamped 10pm last night. I can't find an archived version but it's much longer. I assume the report is out sometime today. Some recommendations:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/29/police-calling-transgender-rape-suspects-preferred-pronoun-report/

"The Policy Exchange report noted that offence of rape as defined in Section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 involved penile penetration without consent.

The report called for an end to de facto self-declaration of “gender identity” so that the criminal justice system was aligned with the law.

It also recommended police data should be recorded on the basis of sex, the compelled use of “preferred pronoun” should be scrapped and suspects and defendants should be referred to on the basis of their sex.

It said all searches of police detainees should be carried out by police and prison officers of the same biological sex as the person being searched and all prisons should be made single sex."

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 30/05/2022 03:58

Abitofalark · 30/05/2022 01:37

Yes, it's from The Times, this time by Steven Swinford, Political Editor.
I've not seen anything by him before on this topic. We've had articles by several others, including a regular columnist, the Education Editor and I think Social Affairs Editor or similar title, and even a leading article.

Times columnist Janice Turner has been covering this for years. She was at the very first event in 2017 where we had to find a new venue because TRAs intimidated the organisers of the original place into cancelling. She witnessed Maria Mac being beaten up by TRAs and sat in the substitute venue listening to them yelling ‘Burn it down’ outside.

Lucy Bannerman has also been great on this, as was Andrew Gilligan while he was at the Times.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/05/2022 03:06

When will the police forces act to correct this? Do they have any intention of reflecting upon the harms their practices are causing women?

Maureen O’Hara, senior law lecturer at Coventry University, wrote that it was having a “detrimental effect” on female victims, witnesses and prisoners. She said that while gender self-declaration had not been incorporated into law in England and Wales, it had been “adopted by all key criminal justice institutions”.

She said: “These institutions now all effectively subscribe to the belief that individuals’ subjective sense of ‘gender identity’ should take precedence over their biological sex. The adoption by criminal justice institutions of this belief appears to have come about largely as the result of policy capture, as it is a widely contested belief and has been adopted without public scrutiny.”

Her report highlighted recent disclosures that many police forces record suspected and convicted offenders by their self-declared gender. A survey of 24 forces found 13 recorded people’s gender by self-identification.

Abitofalark · 30/05/2022 01:37

Yes, it's from The Times, this time by Steven Swinford, Political Editor.
I've not seen anything by him before on this topic. We've had articles by several others, including a regular columnist, the Education Editor and I think Social Affairs Editor or similar title, and even a leading article.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/05/2022 01:22

Wow, The Times has certainly woken up to this issue lately. A LOT of coverage of GC concerns.

SpindleSheWrote · 30/05/2022 01:19

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10864613/Transgender-murderer-caught-having-drunken-sex-female-inmate.html

I really wish Dominic Raab would actually DO something about men in women's jails.

To paraphrase the recent words of a comedian, I mean the old-fashioned kind of men: the ones with cocks.