Sunday Times 'Justice system 'puts trans rights ahead of women'

To be clear, the majority of those are in Men's prisons if the figures are accurate. They could just be trying to transfer to the female prisons.

So around 60% of the trans prisoners are in there for sexual assaults/rape.

Those numbers blew me away! Could it be more fucking obvious that the system is being abused?

Isn't the issue that we don't actually know how many men claiming to be transwomen are in women's prisons as the MoJ has been so comprehensively captured by the trans extremists that the actual data is worse than a dog's breakfast?

Oops, got distracted while I was writing and then happydappy2 had made the same point by the time I posted it - apologies for the duplication.

If a biological woman was convicted of a very serious crime, and self-declared as a man, would they seriously send her to a prison full of violent males?

Here's the report:

policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Transgenderism-and-policy-capture-in-the-criminal-justice-system.pdf

It's not only women impacted, but children as the parts about sex offending and giving evidence make clear. If they won't listen to the concerns of women, maybe they will listen to how pronouns and other associated parts of the ideology impacts children who've been the victims of male rapists.

I seem to recall that the Ministry of Justice was unable to provide figures for those with Gender Recognition Certificates because they are counted exactly as though they had their acquired gender and are unidentifiable in the data. Of course, obtaining a GRC requires no surgery so these prisoners very likely have penises.

I believe that once a trans woman has a GRC they are recorded as though they are an actual woman within prison. So a woman having sex with a woman, might turn out to be a male bodied person having sex with a woman. 2 women having a fight, might be an old kind of woman and a new kind of woman.

Someone taking about a non-man with a penis ffs.
How can any sensible laws and policies be written if they don't start with plain English that everyone can understand.

Reminiscent of the Green Party that spoke about non-men and attempted to get that usage into their constitutions.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/2616477-Men-and-Non-men?

A spokesman for the National Police Chiefs’ Council said: “How gender is recorded is a matter for individual forces. However, as a general rule we will accept the details that a person provides to us, whether a victim, witness or suspect.

Do the police automatically accept the details a person provides? So if I am arrested for some crime and state my name is Elizabeth Windsor and I live at Windsor Castle they'll accept that?

Honestly I'm done with the amount of nonsense people spout. I've been looking at Stella Creasy twitter and the amount of madness, not just coming from her is ridiculous. Someone taking about a non-man with a penis ffs.
How can any sensible laws and policies be written if they don't start with plain English that everyone can understand.

But they are still ducking the issue that self-ID is not the law.

I'm heartened that he appears to be on side but his only reassurance was to say that he was not aware of any assaults on women by transgender women in prisons since 2019

I think this is a standard reply as I had this from my Tory MP within about 10 minutes of writing to him. If they have a standard reply presumably that means they are getting a lot of letters / emails.

with people sentenced to prison, especially for violent crime and double especially for a violent crime which might see them become a target of reprisals in a male prison, bad faith can be almost taken as a given.

OK I know that when Emily Thornbery came on to do a MN interview she wittered on about how TW weren't safe in male prisons, instead of addressing the question of why women don't feel safe in a prison with TW. For me it begs the question, why is male violence to other males a problem for women to sort out? There are enough male prisons in the UK, they should be able to find enough space in them to keep TW relatively safe.

got that link wrong

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Islam_in_prisons

many things in 'the trans debate' aren't black and white, but the prison issue is mind bogglingly clear.

with people sentenced to prison, especially for violent crime and double especially for a violent crime which might see them become a target of reprisals in a male prison, bad faith can be almost taken as a given. this phenomenon, in terms of its drivers, no different to something like the long established tradition of bad-faith prison conversions to Islam or other minority religions (see en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Islam_in_prisons) in the hope of getting better food or other perks. only in the trans example there's a very clear victim to this permissiveness, even if it is only plain old women (yes, the boring ones with wombs, those dinosaurs).

Last year there were 146 transgender women in prisons in England and Wales, with up to four in women’s prisons.

I'm surprised it's only four, given the amount of testimony I've seen from female prisoners about what it's like having to share prison space with a male-bodied prisoner. I wonder how they decided those four were entitled to be in women's prisons and the rest not?

I also wonder about the other 142: if they're not in women's prisons, what are they getting out of identifying as trans? Are there particular privileges to be had from identifying as trans (eg private bathrooms)?

The foi request in Scotland said 12+ in women's prisons and only 1 had started to take hormones

Thanks for the link, and thank God the media are increasingly giving this issue exposure.

I have now read the MPs letter. In it he looks as though he's not fully grasped the issue, in that he talks about no assaults carried on by an assigned male transitioning. This sort of male, who is genuinely transitioning by taking hormones and may go on to surgery, is a very different proposition to a male who just Self Id's as a TW, but in all other respects is male. This pandering to Stonewall endangers women.

Last year there were 146 transgender women in prisons in England and Wales, with up to four in women’s prisons. A total of 87 transgender women had a conviction for a sexual offence.

So around 60% of the trans prisoners are in there for sexual assaults/rape.

Surely promoting self id will just lead to more and more perverted men who are not trans saying they are just to get access. Eventually this will skew the figures so that the majorly of trans women WILL be sexual predators. This is not going to help trans people.

Question on the stats he gives- are there only max 4 transwomen in womens prisons? Why had I understood it to be many more? (Maybe because it seems fairly standard to transfer them in the us and Canada?) but I thought there have been more than 4 cases called out specifically in the past few years.

When exactly is gender relevant? Apart from the times when a TW wants to get inside a female prison?

Yes, it's from The Times, this time by Steven Swinford, Political Editor.
I've not seen anything by him before on this topic. We've had articles by several others, including a regular columnist, the Education Editor and I think Social Affairs Editor or similar title, and even a leading article.

This seems to reflect a change at the BBC. The person in the role of LGBT & Identity Correspondent is Lauren Moss who comes from a background of reporting on Home Affairs and Politics. That is, an actual journalist rather than an activist-journalist. For a few months now when I've been startled by a report on the BBC about LGBT issues looking like it might have some balance in it, her name has usually been attached.

1.8% of rape defendants are claiming to be female????
Given the minuscule number of rapes that get to that stage, just how many rapists ARE claiming they are female? Are transwomen over represented in other sex crimes?

I recently had a reply from my (conservative) MP Bob Blackman after I wrote to him about single sex spaces including prisons.

I'm heartened that he appears to be on side but his only reassurance was to say that he was not aware of any assaults on women by transgender women in prisons since 2019. What I want is confirmation that male prisoners will be kept out of female prisons full stop.