Billy Bragg. Again

I heard a wonderful story of an American missionary seeing a Palestinian man praying inside the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and asking, “So how long have your family been Christians?”

The answer came: ”oh, about two thousand years…”

(SINGS) 'I was 21 years when I wrote this song, I'm... a stupid man now'
Billy - you have plummeted in my view, used to love him and had tickets to see him pre-covid. Someone else can take my place.

@RoyalCorgi disgusting isn't it?

He's firmly in the "educate yourself" category now.

What a cunt.

Fucking hell. The narcissism of this man to tell Jewish people to read up on the holocaust.

It's quite extraordinary. But if he can tell women they're wrong about not wanting men in their spaces he can tell Jewish people they're wrong about the Holocaust. He must feel very pleased with himself about being so much better informed about these subjects than the people who are expert in them.

Er no. That's pretty offensive really to anyone suffering from senility or having to cope with a loved one affected by senility.

Bragg has been a performative, virtue seeking, narrow minded lefty all his life.

Yes. And well no.

The Labour Party used to have a fine tradition of Jewish support. E.g Google Manny Shinwell for example. And then Google Luciana Berger.

This made me laugh.

And Jonathon Ross responding to BB's tweet with "What a prick". Sums it up for me.

Are you saying that the only people that can support people who are LGB also have to be LGB?

I don't recall this coming up on the tribunal as stated, but isn't it one of those Twitter factoids? Someone had determined (somehow) that some high percentage of LGB Alliance's Twitter followers were probably not LGB, based on who else they followed? (Evidence like "they don't follow Pink News"?)

For comparison, I'd be interested to see Stonewall's followers profiled.

Given the actual demographics, it's not terribly unlikely that a majority of either's followers will not be LGB. And then Stonewall has the added "TQ" thing to water it down further, plus the fact it's an establishment brand that all proper DEI HR types need to follow. So I wouldn't be surprised if it scores far worse on "actual LGB people".

He's 65 this year, which is a bit young for senility. He's always been thick and self-righteous, which is a dangerous combination. I genuinely don't think he has any critical faculties to apply here. He's been given the facts over and over again and just ignores them. I don't think he can grasp it. He was told that LGB rights were now LGBT rights some time not long after Stonewall added the T, he swallowed that whole, and he's never bothered to wonder what any of it means. I just did an Advanced Search of his Twitter account. He opened it in 2009 and the first tweet I found using the word 'trans' relating to gender identity was in December 2019. (The only other one was in trans-national.) So he's been tweeting about this for less than three years. From a quick skim, the responses to his first tweet on the subject were much the same as he's getting now. Nothing learned.

What an aggressively pseudo superior prick.

He just doesn't see women as humans who have their own needs and desires. His type of misogynyis very common on the left - very performative (why are you calling me a misogynist, I campaigned for abortion and against women getting the shit beaten out them by their partner, what more do you want), but when it comes down to it, women as an actual class are irrelevant and men will always come first.

No. LGBA don’t have a ‘membership’. They have supporters. Are you saying that the only people that can support people who are LGB also have to be LGB?

not a fan of cancellation, but Bragg’s is surely overdue.
not as if anyone will miss his anti-talent

If he just listened....
Oh, wait.

Bragg, 60, an ally of the labour leader said the Jewish community had “work to do” and must shoulder some blame for the fallout.

This is all we need to know about this man. He’s a deranged, repugnant individual.

That applies more to the right. Especially the ' Christian' right. The people who send missionaries to Palestine ffs

They also conveniently "forget" that a lot of Jews are brown and black (Ethiopian Jews) but nope according to them all Jews are white.

Did anyone see that episode of AbFab in which Edina has to retrench and Saffron says she needs to get a smaller car rather than her limo, and doing her own shopping from the supermarket rather than Harrods? This will be cheaper to run etc. etc. etc. Edina buys an extremely small sports car, and events lead her to going to court and paying an enormous fine - the whole thing being driven by her own impenetrable narcissism and lack of self awareness. Her own inability to see and understand her own narrow mindset.

At the end, being seriously out of pocket, she turns to Saffron as says "That smaller car was a bit of a false economy, wasn't it darling?"

I sympathise with Saffron - Edina is wrong on so many levels that you don't know where to start. Same with Billy Bragg. Same with the far left across the board. So many assumptions which are unconsidered. What does he mean by "define by biology"? Is he suggesting that GC arguments are saying that women, as human beings, are nothing but their biological characteristics, and that they can either have women's rights or human rights but can't have both? What is the relevance of the white supremecist argument? Is he really comparing Jewish concerns on antisemitism to the burbling inanities of the white supremacist movement?

Where do you start with such nonsense? Which bundle of thoughtless gunk do your start dismantling first?

'He has also likened LGB alliance to white supremacists because of the absence of T. Yep, a straight man lecturing same sex attracted people on who they should include in their groups."

I thought it came out during the AB trial that over 70% of the members of the LGB alliance were straight.

Or he's led a very sheltered life, or both

I think that probably he's not really all that smart.

I'll never forget it. Was some by-election or general election involving that hideous little antisemite Corbyn. Bragg stood in front of the town hall surrounded by screaming chanting flag waving (ironic for a man who hates his own country's flag) men. Men men men, toxic masculinity as far as the eye could see.

Thank god we're more progressive now and we categorise people by personality and not biology. If ever some extremist government announces they are rounding up women and putting us in camps, I'll just say, 'Actually, I'm called Bernard and I like watching the darts and drinking Special Brew.' I'm sure that'll work.

(Shit-for-brains doesn't seem to realise that feminists are the polar opposite of Nazis in that we are against biological essentialism. We don't attach an innate personality to biology; we appreciate that biological differences don't automatically mean personality differences. Jewish people being recognised as a distinct class wouldn't have been a problem had that class not been dehumanised by negative, culturally-generated stereotypes. We recognise that women are a distinct biological class and we don't want sexists like Billy to redefine us by the stereotypes that belittle us.)

Right, poor men, they need a space to work it all out .

He couldn't give a shit about the victims of grooming gangs. Neither does Owen Jones.