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Billy Bragg. Again

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 28/05/2022 22:27

Billy Bragg saw some Holocaust memorials today; the type known as a Stolperstein, which literally translates as stumbling block. They are made by hand, and each one is to a specific person or household; it bears their name and is placed to mark the last place they were known to been voluntarily, before they were taken.

They are heartbreaking things, but some feel their placement in pavements is disrespectful to the people whose lives they seek to memorialise. So they are banned in some German towns and cities. That's not an argument I've ever had an opinion on, because it's not my place.

However, I never saw this coming. This is how Billy Bragg has reacted to seeing them today. He's used them in an argument about flipping trans activism. How low can you go?

Billy Bragg, tweet 1: Yeah, like white supremacists can argue that they’re not anti-Black, they’re just pro-white. And guess what? They also complain that, for taking that view, they’ve been subject to a smear campaign for years.

Other Person: Desperate argument but oh kaaaay.

Billy Bragg, tweet 2: I’m in Hamburg atm In the pavements are small brass plaques bearing the names of Jews who lived in the building opposite the plaque who were murdered by the Nazis. That began with people deciding they could define someone by their biology alone.

Followed to a wikipedia link about the purpose of a Stolperstein

Billy Bragg being repugnant

Billy Bragg. Again
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ChangedMyNamrButStillMe · 18/06/2022 21:19

I’ve been pissing myself reading some of the Billy Bragg related tweets this afternoon. There are some very, very funny GC women.

nepeta · 18/06/2022 17:37

It just struck me how a sense of humour only seems to exist on our side of this issue.

bellinisurge · 18/06/2022 17:03

He's such a knob

SunniDelite · 18/06/2022 16:56

I only signed up to Twitter so that I could follow links from here, but the Billy Bragg threads have made it absolutely worth it! Makes me proud to be part of such a witty cohort of women (and men)! Laugh out loud funny 😂

Georgeskitchen · 18/06/2022 14:48

Another big mouth hasbeen trying desperately (and failing) to be relevant

Pinklimey · 18/06/2022 14:22

@PriamFarrl I really couldn't say. Human though, definitely human.

DisappearingGirl · 18/06/2022 13:44

I like this in the replies

Billy Bragg. Again
DisappearingGirl · 18/06/2022 13:43

Oh that Twitter thread is very funny

wellhelloitsme · 18/06/2022 13:31

As one response on there said, there's absolutely no way he's ever described a group of men he disagrees with or dislikes hates as a "gaggle".

He really does hate women, doesn't he?

Self ID is fine with him as long as it isn't his identity that people are identifying into.

Do we think he really doesn't see how hypocritical he is, or that he knows full well and is gaslighting the "gaggle" he refers to?

MenopausalMe · 18/06/2022 13:30

So remind me anyone, how many transmen friends does Billy Bragg have?

DialSquare · 18/06/2022 13:23

He just can't help himself can he. Been pulled up in the replies about the use of gaggle.

GrinAndVomit · 18/06/2022 13:16

DialSquare · 18/06/2022 13:03

Has anyone seen this? Been cracking up reading the replies.

mobile.twitter.com/billybragg/status/1537851389665284097

“Gaggle”
He’s not exactly subtle with his misogyny, is he?

JacquelinePot · 18/06/2022 13:16

"I was assigned Billy Bragg at birth" 😂

DialSquare · 18/06/2022 13:03

Has anyone seen this? Been cracking up reading the replies.

mobile.twitter.com/billybragg/status/1537851389665284097

MangyInseam · 29/05/2022 20:51

Abhannmor · 29/05/2022 07:55

That applies more to the right. Especially the ' Christian' right. The people who send missionaries to Palestine ffs

Certain evangelicals send missions to all kinds of Chriatian groups, including Catholics. It's a feature of their understanding of Christianity, not because tehy don't realize that the people aren't from Christian churches.

But there is a real tendency for the left to forget about middle eastern Cjristians and their persecution, because it doesn't fir in with their sense of Christianity being tied up with colonialist opression. For similar reasons they are often flummoxed when presented with Christian indiginous populations.

MishyJDI · 29/05/2022 20:19

He may be referring to the Nazis book burning with one of their initial targets being Hirschfeld (a jew) and the institute of sexology and trans(sexuals). There was a vibrant LGBT scene in 1920s Germany until the Nazis came along....and were thoroughly evil.

Cailleach1 · 29/05/2022 19:55

Soli, not sol.

Cailleach1 · 29/05/2022 19:54

Thelandedgentry · 28/05/2022 23:50

What he says is rubbish. However, there is a biology aspect to being Jewish. Israel considers anyone who has a Jewish grandparent to be Jewish and entitled to live in Israel, regardless of whether they believe in the religion or follow any Jewish practices. You can be both Jewish and an atheist.

I would regard that as being lineage rather than biology. Ok sang rather than sol, but it is not as if they do a biology test. They check registers, I presume.

IncompleteSenten · 29/05/2022 18:55

What a twat.
He actually thinks he's making some sort of logical argument. 🤦

I'm embarrassed for him.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/05/2022 18:53

Didn't he change the lyrics to "if you stick aroun', I'm sure we can find the right pronoun'? So he's under the impression that people need his help to pick their new preferred pronouns?

Er, no, Billy.

He thinks he's an expert on everything, doesn't he?

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donquixotedelamancha · 29/05/2022 15:58

He got some flack for changing the lyrics to his ditty 'Sexuality' and this seems to have flipped him into the mind set of if trans are oppressed and I support trans, then I am oppressed.

Nope, he's been an idiot on this issue for many years. He slavishly adopts whatever view is fashionable amongst the Corbynite/Militant/Momentum lot.

Mandodari · 29/05/2022 14:15

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2022 09:53

He's 65 this year, which is a bit young for senility. He's always been thick and self-righteous, which is a dangerous combination. I genuinely don't think he has any critical faculties to apply here. He's been given the facts over and over again and just ignores them. I don't think he can grasp it. He was told that LGB rights were now LGBT rights some time not long after Stonewall added the T, he swallowed that whole, and he's never bothered to wonder what any of it means. I just did an Advanced Search of his Twitter account. He opened it in 2009 and the first tweet I found using the word 'trans' relating to gender identity was in December 2019. (The only other one was in trans-national.) So he's been tweeting about this for less than three years. From a quick skim, the responses to his first tweet on the subject were much the same as he's getting now. Nothing learned.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g
He got some flack for changing the lyrics to his ditty 'Sexuality' and this seems to have flipped him into the mind set of if trans are oppressed and I support trans, then I am oppressed.
People like him don't need any excuse to try linking their "suffering" to Jewish people. If they can't blame them then they try saying their suffering is worse than the entire history of antisemitism. It must take some mental gymnastics to think 'my friend Bert was called sir today even though she was wearing a miniskirt and had her beard groomed exquisitely' is exactly the same as what Primo Levi went through in Auschwitz.

PriamFarrl · 29/05/2022 14:03

So I’m technically Jewish. My mother’s, mother’s mother was Jewish but they stopped practicing and married outside the community.
I’ve never thought of myself as Jewish. Never been to any kind of Jewish ceremony like a wedding. I know nothing of being Jewish.

This tweet has left me confused. Am I Jewish through biology? I don’t feel Jewish? I don’t identify as Jewish. Am I more Jewish than I am a woman?

Mandodari · 29/05/2022 14:02

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/05/2022 01:12

I doubt Palestine is very trans-inclusive. Israel, on the other hand, entered (and won) Eurovision with transwoman Dana International over two decades ago.

Tel Aviv holds a Pride Week each June and proudly hold the largest LGBT parade in Asia. In comparison, 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are "harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society". But we know which side leftie tw*ts like Bragg support - without taking a time out from burnishing their LGBTQIAAASHITE++++ credentials.

PronounssheRa · 29/05/2022 12:58

(SINGS) 'I was 21 years when I wrote this song, I'm... a stupid man now'

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuiJdbFESO4

I'll just leave this here