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Hyde Park 29th May 12pm

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OhDearWhyAmIFatterly · 28/05/2022 19:23

Anyone coming to Hyde Park tomorrow?

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ScreamingMeMe · 30/05/2022 21:32

He's cut the mouth out (none of the protesters had their mouths uncovered) which emphasises the lips,

He had a dummy as part of the act. And some of them did have mouth holes, although I think they had face masks in underneath. (See attached photos.)

The wig was to take the piss out of Jane from the Piers Morgan interview. He also had some similar sunglasses.

I appreciate that it hasn't landed well for some people. I honestly don't think any offence whatsoever was intended from. Mr Menno, he seems like a very decent sort.

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lovelyweathertoday · 30/05/2022 21:21

Hmmm I don't buy that at all, he was wearing a wig because someone appeared on Piers Morgan with black hair/wig a few weeks ago?

On the day of the Manchester speakers corner event there were people dressed as "black bloc" protecting the statue from women being able to stand near it.

They also manhandled a woman who stood near the statue.

They were nicknamed the "black pampers" because they were dressed fully in black and were obviously young,

In the aftermath Piers Morgan interviewed a representative of theirs called Jane. Jane wore a black wig for the interview.

The outfit worn at Hyde Park was making fun of the black outfits and the fool who spoke to Piers.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-piers-morgan-called-c-word-live-on-air-talktv-uncensored-rationgs-trans-rights-322821/

It was probably a bit niche but would have been understood by people who follow these events.

FemaleAndLearning · 30/05/2022 21:07

The people putting the fake banning up of speaking at Hyde Park clearly know nothing of the history of free speech at Speakers Corner. There are Speakers Corners all over England.

LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 21:04

Just to add as a couple of posters previously seemed to insinuate that maybe I was posting just to whip up controversy, they are wrong, the video of this is controversial enough (and all over my twitter), discussing it is fair game.

My interest in this event was peaked by a GC friend who attended this gathering, I agree with her on some points of the trans debate, not on others, she seemed somewhat uncomfortable with this too and unwilling to defend it, saying the applause was mostly of the polite British 'move along kind' (which is not IMO what I see in the video) If your counter argument to mine is "I have more posts than you", you are not having a serious discussion.

LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 20:46

WithAnXXHere · 30/05/2022 20:22

The black wig was mocking the white man on Piers Morgan a few weeks ago.

Let's be honest, people are stretching this simply because it was a KJK event. If this had happened at a TRA event, it would have been labeled as progressive.

Hmmm I don't buy that at all, he was wearing a wig because someone appeared on Piers Morgan with black hair/wig a few weeks ago?
I mean if that had provoked a meme like the Black Pampers/Black Panthers thing that followed the Pankhurst event and that this costume would appear to be based on then maybe? I would have thought that someone could have pointed out how awful combing the two would appear though...
I think this theory seems far more of a stretch than admitting a white man wearing a 'Black Pamper' costume consisting of a skin-tight black morph suit with the mouth cut out, a black wig and a nappy, playing the fool in front of an overwhelmingly (all?) white audience might appear very much like blackface to some observers, particularly in the uk with our history of the minstrel show etc

It may be that the greatest crime here is probably just how unfunny the skit was, the man performing it is supposedly a gender critical youtube comedian, I would suggest he finds some better material.

Not sure I have anything else to add here that i have not already said, watch the full video, make up your own mind, personally I think it looks pretty suspect.

WithAnXXHere · 30/05/2022 20:22

The black wig was mocking the white man on Piers Morgan a few weeks ago.

Let's be honest, people are stretching this simply because it was a KJK event. If this had happened at a TRA event, it would have been labeled as progressive.

Vanpump · 30/05/2022 19:46

PerfectionValley · 30/05/2022 19:36

If anyone thinks that the person in the black morph suit looks like a black person then the problem is you.

And there is no curly wig either, that's you outsourcing your thinking to Twitter where that was first claimed.

Why's he wearing a second skin bodysuit which are designed to look naked?

He's cut the mouth out (none of the protesters had their mouths uncovered) which emphasises the lips, he's not wearing a balaclava but is wearing a a curly/wavy black wig.

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LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 19:45

If you dont wish to click that link (understandable I suggest you scroll thorugh KJKs twitter, or if you are of the TRA persuasion, try Owen Jones twitter.

LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 19:44

The performer is clearly wearing a wig in a number of pictures, have you watched the video of the whole skit?
It is the combination of skintight suit, wig and nappy that makes it look like blackface, I mean why wear a wig at all? the morph suit already covers your face

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1530889488678920195/photo/1

PerfectionValley · 30/05/2022 19:36

If anyone thinks that the person in the black morph suit looks like a black person then the problem is you.

And there is no curly wig either, that's you outsourcing your thinking to Twitter where that was first claimed.

LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 19:36

The performer here was undoubtedly wearing a wig, there are numerous photos of this, including on KJKs twitter, and a video of the whole skit is easy to find.

The TRA protesters at the Pankhurst statue where obviously not parodying black people, they were wearing Black Bloc, a term that refers to generic black clothing that conceals ones identity in a crowd of others dressed the same. It is a common tactic used at many protests worldwide, certainly not exclusive to TRAs, it is particularly popular among the anarchist crowd.
Clearly wearing generic black clothing to conceal your identity as part of a crowd is not racist, it is absurd to suggest so.
Wearing a skin tight black bodysuit with a wig and nappy whilst performing a skit seemingly based on the concept of TRAs being 'Black Pampers' I believe could be seen to have racist overtones (blackface/ and the play on black pamper-black panther). It is the wig that probably pushes this across the line IMO, none of the Pankhurst TRAs were wearing skintight suits or wigs..

I should point out at this point that I am not actually defending the Pankhurst protesters, they are obviously ripe for ridicule, just not like this.. I mean the optics of an all or 99% white crowd cheering a performer in what I think most people would consider 'blackface' are probably as bad if not worse than the idiot Pankhurst protesters, as usual with this debate, the extremists on both sides destroy the grounds for a rational discussion.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 30/05/2022 19:34

Funny how some people manage to see a black curly wig that isn't there. Weird how they see what they want to see and not what is actually there.

Yogipineapple123 · 30/05/2022 19:18

Kicking myself that I missed this! Is there one already planned for next month please?

SpindleSheWrote · 30/05/2022 19:18

ScreamingMeMe · 30/05/2022 18:56

How strange that this thread has attracted posters who have never been on here before. It's almost as if someone is busy stoking outrage.

Yeah it's pretty blatant, isn't it?

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 19:05

Vanpump · 30/05/2022 17:48

If you can't see that to the rest of the world this looks like blackface then the problem is you.

Antifas look like they're wearing blackface?

ScreamingMeMe · 30/05/2022 18:56

How strange that this thread has attracted posters who have never been on here before. It's almost as if someone is busy stoking outrage.

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 18:50

curly wig? Is that not a hoodie? Picture is tiny, it's true.

nepeta · 30/05/2022 18:35

If making fun of the TRAs who dressed all in black with black balaclavas in Manchester is racism, then that original defense of the Pankhurst statue by the TRAs in ninja outfits was also racism.

Neither interpretation is correct, of course. Ninjas are supposed to wear those black face masks, and the ridicule was about the events in Manchester.

LoopyOldLady · 30/05/2022 18:11

Honestly do not understand how people can defend this.
The name Black Pampers is a clear play on the black civil rights group Black Panthers.
The man performing the skit is wearing a skin tight black morph suit and a black curly wig, not the generic black clothing typically favoured by black bloc protesters. A straight parody of the the black bloc style protesters would feature normal black bloc clothing with a nappy over the top, (still pretty dodgy IMO) not a skin tight black suit and wig to give the appearance of nakedness under the nappy.

Utterly tasteless at best and racist and offensive at worst. The cheering and applause from the gathered crowd is shamefull.

Vanpump · 30/05/2022 17:48

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 30/05/2022 16:59

Actually it was Terrorist Face.

Sometimes you just have to accept that a thing has more than one meaning. And a balaclava seems to be one of those things.

With all of the men blocking women meeting to talk about women they I tend to look scary, like terrorists.

Not every black thing is about race.

If you can't see that to the rest of the world this looks like blackface then the problem is you.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 30/05/2022 16:59

francesfrankenfurter · 30/05/2022 16:18

Of course it was blackface. But many of you seem comfortable with racism.

Actually it was Terrorist Face.

Sometimes you just have to accept that a thing has more than one meaning. And a balaclava seems to be one of those things.

With all of the men blocking women meeting to talk about women they I tend to look scary, like terrorists.

Not every black thing is about race.

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 16:22

You're saying antifa people are wearing 'blackface', francesfrankenfurter? Interesting take.

francesfrankenfurter · 30/05/2022 16:18

Of course it was blackface. But many of you seem comfortable with racism.

StormyWaterCloud · 30/05/2022 12:46

Yes it was! It was great!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 30/05/2022 11:51

So glad you enjoyed it!

This tweet from Julie Bindel includes a photo of the Black Pampers. twitter.com/bindelj/status/1526114973071597568?s=21&t=7TAWrNVP1IMUYd0kLAo5jA

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