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Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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WhereAreWeNow · 28/05/2022 06:13

Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

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RandomUser10093 · 28/05/2022 09:24

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tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 09:18

She’s back on it this morning.

Coord · 28/05/2022 09:16

Stella Creasy is my local MP in Walthamstow - she's always been great in terms of being very engaged with the community.

She is so wrong on this though. I'm glad she's getting trawled on Twitter, because last time this issue came up on the local Facebook group (which she engages with a lot) she was almost universally validated. It's a problem to oppose her when you will be seen as 'hateful' by people in your close area and using your real name on Facebook.

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 28/05/2022 09:13

Christ, I feel like I am back in 2018 reading that article! What is she thinking?

babyjellyfish · 28/05/2022 09:13

Stella had an absolute nightmare on Twitter last night.

I can't believe I used to think she was one of the good ones.

Complete intellectual and moral vacuum, that one.

JulesJules · 28/05/2022 09:13

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PronounssheRa · 28/05/2022 09:12

PermanentTemporary · 28/05/2022 06:52

Stella Creasy studied at the last Cambridge college to admit women (in 1988). The answer to sex-based discrimination is not to eliminate sex but to eliminate discrimination.

Stella also got elected through an all women shortlist (the original kind)

ResisterRex · 28/05/2022 08:56

Article is accessible here, I think:

mobile.twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1530305525568753666

zurala · 28/05/2022 08:53

Can anyone post the full text please?

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:52

Her latest: ‘We do have words which define biology - female isn’t one which is commonly and consistently used solely for sex categories alone. I’m not ‘taking away’ anything and indeed challenging patriarchy directly as even without biological differences still think would oppress women!’

No, Stella, female has an objective meaning. People can misuse words, and that is what you are doing.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:48

I might be wildly wrong here but when she accuses Pike of using ‘pseudoscientific terms’ she says he said ‘homeostasis’, but he didn’t. He said ‘homeostatic property cluster’, which seems to be a way of saying you can sort things into categories based on a set of stable properties that more or less (almost always) remain stable in that identifiable group. I don’t think it’s anything to do with chemical homeostasis.

But what do I know (actually very little!)?

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:44

She studied SPS at Cambridge and has a PhD from the LSE. On paper she’s smart but I don’t see it in terms of the things she says.

WakeWaterWalk · 28/05/2022 08:39

She always when I read her or listen to her strikes me as a "stupid- clever" person.
In that she's obviously very capable of getting on and getting into positions of power. But there's no discernible "content".
Now this is far from unusual but I never understand those who rate her iyswim.
Which is a long winded way of saying I'm not remotely surprised and would in fact have been more stunned by any bravery shown in going against the flow.

BraveBananaBadge · 28/05/2022 08:35

A profile in a broadsheet, photo shoot, and the headline that sums you up is 'I think women can have penises'. I'd die of embarrassment.

nauticant · 28/05/2022 08:32

I recall hearing recently that being able to see replies to a tweet is a functionality that is only provided to some twitter accounts Boiledbeetle. You're one of the lucky ones being able to access that functionality.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:24

‘I'm struggling to think of the achievements.’

Being an MP who went to Oxbridge probably makes people treat her as if she’s very clever when she’s not especially.

Boiledbeetle · 28/05/2022 08:23

@nauticant just read her tweets on your link, and the replies, turns out there's a button you can press and more tweets appear. Who knew?

Bloody hell her views were skewed and as it's now years down the line I suspect there's not enough treatment available that would help her with her Stockholm syndrome. She is completely captured isn't she.

You know I think I may have to bite the bullet and actually join Twitter after all this!

ResisterRex · 28/05/2022 08:21

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:16

‘She's got brains and gets things done. The Telegraph obviously does too, hence the clickbait. I hate that she seems to be a true believer on this.’

I can’t see the brains. I think she’s an example of a person who got where she is through privilege and now has a CV that’s out of kilter with her actual ability.

Hmmm. I'm struggling to think of the achievements. The MN chat was a cringe-fest. "This mum votes" or something? Like we're all so stupid, we need a special wimmins campaign to tell us how the little xs work and make sure to only do one!!

NoSquirrels · 28/05/2022 08:16

PermanentTemporary · 28/05/2022 08:03

The thing is, I rate Stella Creasy as a politician. She's got brains and gets things done. The Telegraph obviously does too, hence the clickbait. I hate that she seems to be a true believer on this.

Me too. Sad

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:16

‘She's got brains and gets things done. The Telegraph obviously does too, hence the clickbait. I hate that she seems to be a true believer on this.’

I can’t see the brains. I think she’s an example of a person who got where she is through privilege and now has a CV that’s out of kilter with her actual ability.

SpindleSheWrote · 28/05/2022 08:14

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/05/2022 08:07

This should be at the top of all threads.

Yes, I love this. May I borrow it?

SpindleSheWrote · 28/05/2022 08:13

The woman is mad.

Maybe the cognitive dissonance takes its toll in the end. We saw a few witnesses in the Allison Bailey hearing who came across as unhinged.

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/05/2022 08:07

PermanentTemporary · 28/05/2022 06:52

Stella Creasy studied at the last Cambridge college to admit women (in 1988). The answer to sex-based discrimination is not to eliminate sex but to eliminate discrimination.

This should be at the top of all threads.

PermanentTemporary · 28/05/2022 08:03

The thing is, I rate Stella Creasy as a politician. She's got brains and gets things done. The Telegraph obviously does too, hence the clickbait. I hate that she seems to be a true believer on this.

SpindleSheWrote · 28/05/2022 08:03

And it cost GCC money when Harriet Wistrich found out about the shitshow they were in

That seems to have passed me by, @Rightsraptor. What did Harriet do? (I hugely admire HW. Awesome woman.)

And yes you're probably spot on about SW being a one-way street when it comes to money. Yet these legal and political types still get duped into it, as though a SW endorsement is going to be a great boon to their careers. And then they're trapped. I'll have a look at the Stonewall accounts again and see who they've actually given money to (although they only go up to end March 2021).

I used to be curious, then disappointed, then shocked, at the vehemence of the women like Stella Creasy MP and Judge Michelle Brewer who are enthusiastically involved in promoting TRA ideology. Now I'm just angry.