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Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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WhereAreWeNow · 28/05/2022 06:13

Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

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FeminismAndCake · 28/05/2022 10:38

Why do Labour not want to be in government?

Looking good against this government should be the easiest thing in the world instead they spout this nonsense word salad that alienates large numbers of the electorate. She sounds like an appeasing idiot and if they are so easily manipulated on this issue how can they be trusted on anything else

ChristinaXYZ · 28/05/2022 10:37

And adding to the long list of idiots in the Labour Party. Here's Ben Bradshaw:

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1530429392136044544

nauticant · 28/05/2022 10:36

Can anyone interpret this for me? I’m desperately trying to understand.

Word soup but for me the key part is: contestation isn’t just about categories but recognition which would suggest that the meaning is decided by who has the power to declare what the meaning must be and then everyone has to go along with that, although I doubt she would accept that interpretation. I think it's a variant of the post modernism/critical theory mash-up in operation that people are talking about elsewhere.

Datun · 28/05/2022 10:35

PronounssheRa · 28/05/2022 09:43

We do have words which define biology - female isn’t one which is commonly and consistently used solely for sex categories alone

How can she not see it's an illogical, unworkable ideology when she supports it, but then uses the very word she says has no meaning under it, 'women', and fully expects everyone to understand what it means.

It's a self serving pretence at support. And you see it and over. Trans ideology enthusiasts resorting, unthinkingly, to words they say have no meanings, or different meanings, in order to communicate. Homophobia, lesbian, women's spaces, sex segregation, the word patriarchy itself. Constantly used with the meanings they deny they have.

She clearly understands sex and sexism. And misogyny. She's been the victim of it. She talks about it.

Why doesn't her lack of logic make her head explode??

Artichokeleaves · 28/05/2022 10:35

FGS. No, Stella. Not engaging in this silliness and trying to negotiate through the salad any more. No more pretending, no more trying to reasonably argue, enough now.

TW are TW. There is nothing shameful about being a TW. And the one single qualifying characteristic required to be a TW is to be male.

Women are female. There's nothing shameful about that either.

What is shameful is insulting and erasing the entire female half of the population for head pats from male people. That's bloody shameful. Get a grip for pete's sake.

TheLadyDIdGood · 28/05/2022 10:34

ResisterRex · 28/05/2022 09:53

When children are tutored and babysat to the nth degree throughout their childhood, and do indeed get all As. They use long words a lot, but zero critical thinking or common sense. Nightmare as employees.

100%. I've worked with some shockers.

Absolutely agree with this, I live in an 11+ area and you can see the effects of stepford wife, clone training by Yr 6. They're all intellectual zombies by year 13 and are easy to mould and believe any shite at UG level. There is no critical thinking at all, it's scary.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/05/2022 10:33

I think she is a good person. I'm sure she believes what she says and thinks she's doing the right thing.

She's a little too manipulative for me, in the way she conducts these things on Twitter. She will say something outrageously TRA pandering, and then complain of "abuse" and retweet anything she can spin as that.

Mandodari · 28/05/2022 10:33

"The hate campaign reached its peak when she said she found herself cornered in a room where she had been playing pool with a group of lads, only for one to joke about gang raping her."

I applaud Ms Creasy for talking about her experience of sexual intimidation and the threat of male violence that is used to silence women. More high profile people need to highlight the visceral fear females experienced when they are in a space, outnumbered by males and have to make a value judgement of are these males joking, are they harmless or do they represent a genuine threat to my safety.

If some of those lads now say they are lassies, is Ms Creasy going to say she was threatened with gang rape by a group of male and females? Is she going to have to say she misgenered her would be attackers? Is she going to have to reframe her memory of being frightened by a group of males and now think, it was a mixed sex group? Oh will she continue to remember that horrible event as it truly was, a lone female being threatened into silence by those that understood only too well what a woman is.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/05/2022 10:33

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 07:51

Did I just read Stella Creasy right? ‘I’d be concerned for any child who thought it was appropriate to masturbate in front of someone else without their consent?’

THE CAVEAT! When would it be okay for a child to masturbate in front of someone at all? What ‘consent’ could possibly be given to this?

The woman is mad.

Puts me in mind of this bold experiment in Germany.

Some hear ominous echoes of another time when well-meaning adults in thrall to an ideology put children in harm’s way. The post-1968 sexual-liberation movement on continental Europe sought to overturn sexual taboos, and some thought that meant starting young. In German kindergartens run along radical-left lines, teachers encouraged children to fondle them, look at pornography and simulate intercourse. Contemporaneous accounts show how parents repressed their moral qualms by focusing on their beliefs about how an unrepressed child should behave.

Such child-abuse was motivated by political conviction, not sexual desire…The radical left was led by men focused on legalizing homosexuality and smashing the nuclear family. Though they did not intend to endanger children, they gave them little thought. Many leftwing groupings tolerated organizations such as Britain’s Paedophile Information Exchange—not least because they had the same sworn enemies: traditionalist Catholics and evangelicals; hardline conservatives and fascists. The paedophiles made most headway in Germany’s Green Party, which for several years operated as their de facto parliamentary front.

quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new-patriarchy-how-trans-radicalism-hurts-women-children-and-trans-people-themselves/

My final comment on Creasy within the decorous standards to which I aspire:

"I found myself remembering the day in kindergarten when the teachers showed us Dumbo, and I realized for the first time that all the kids in the class, even the bullies, rooted for Dumbo, against Dumbo's tormentors. Invariably they laughed and cheered, both when Dumbo succeeded and when bad things happened to his enemies. But they're you, I thought to myself. How did they not know? They didn't know. It was astounding, an astounding truth. Everyone thought they were Dumbo.” ― Elif Batuman, The Idiot

IncompleteSenten · 28/05/2022 10:32

Ignore the 'not' there.

Telling people ladies can have dicks is the approved position.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:32

I didn’t think Creasy was undercover.

IncompleteSenten · 28/05/2022 10:31

"sometimes you have to break cover and be controversial"

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Right now, 'breaking cover' is saying you believe in biological reality. Not telling people ladies can have dicks is the approved position.

Breaking cover. 🤦

Fuzzyheid · 28/05/2022 10:30

It's word salad. Classic sign that someone is talking pish but believes using big words strung together incoherently will make the listener believe they're not talking pish. I think we're meant to be impressed by the intellectualism on show.

Doesnae work.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:30

‘Saying "no" to men makes them sad.’

So her argument (if I have this right) is that people deserve to be ‘recognised’ as things they are not? That’s it?

NecessaryScene · 28/05/2022 10:29

Can anyone interpret this for me?

Saying "no" to men makes them sad.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:29

How can you ‘recognise’ someone as something they objectively are not, without telling lies?

DrBrennerFan · 28/05/2022 10:28

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️I’m done with this world this shit. It can get on with it I simply don’t care anymore. Keep your sexual preferences in your bedrooms I don’t care if you gay lesbian stop shoving all this woke crap down our throats.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:27

A prof at the University of York is engaging SC and asks why the word ‘woman’ can’t be used to denote either sex or gender identity and the word ‘female’ reserved to sex.

SC answer:

’Except that’s contested too ( concept of femininity etc) and at what point do you recognise the contestation isn’t just about categories but recognition. This isn’t an argument for no categorisation but it is for understanding the power behind these words in context.’

Can anyone interpret this for me? I’m desperately trying to understand.

Floisme · 28/05/2022 10:22

Stella also got elected through an all women shortlist (the original kind)

I wonder how many of the Labour MPs who were elected through all women shortlists have used their position to support the dismantling of women's rights? It's a very uncomfortable thought.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 28/05/2022 10:20

I've noticed this push of using the word female to describe men lately.
Newspapers calling transwomen 'trans female' etc.

Stella has dug herself a hole so deep she can never backtrack.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:17

‘I definitely know people who are very very clever on paper and very talented at their particular thing, but literally do not have the common sense they were born with.’

I think she’s the definition of over-educated.

samsalmon · 28/05/2022 10:14

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 08:44

She studied SPS at Cambridge and has a PhD from the LSE. On paper she’s smart but I don’t see it in terms of the things she says.

I definitely know people who are very very clever on paper and very talented at their particular thing, but literally do not have the common sense they were born with.

NecessaryScene · 28/05/2022 10:11

If someone had supplied me female XLR connectors instead of male and tried to justify it on grounds of "hyenas", I think I'd be really annoyed.

tabbycatstripy · 28/05/2022 10:11

But Creasy insists she isn’t ‘re-engineering female’. No, no. Nothing to see here.

NecessaryScene · 28/05/2022 10:08

Is she saying 'electricians use 'male' and 'female' to designate connectors and therefore women no longer exist as a distinct category'?

Worse than that, biologists use them to designate sexes, which means you can't plug your gadgets together reliably any more.