Stella Creasy says women can have penises

Yes. Me also.

I would recommend not giving it too much head space. It defies logic because it is an ideology not a scientific fact.
The words woman and female are taken and are not hers to give away.

Can anyone explain this? If Stella has ruled out woman and female to refer to the sex class which typically has the capacity to gestate then what words does she use to distinguish the biology of the two sexes?

How would the patriarchy still exist if there were no biological differences between men and women and how would the patriarchy determine who to oppress?

It makes my head hurt.

It's strange, isn't it, to think that Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt MP (Con) has a degree in Philosophy from the University of Reading; and also comes out with this utter shit.

Happily TWAW has never been an actual Conservative policy although they did come close on self-id until they realised what it really meant.

It's strange, isn't it, to think that Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt MP (Con) has a degree in Philosophy from the University of Reading; and also comes out with this utter shit.

I also think that what this whole thing boils down to is men want to be women just because they say so.

Juat to add - I don't think they do. I don't think most of them want to be women. What they want is simply to have the unchallenged right to say that they want to be women (iyswim), and to act that out in any which way they like, because it meets their needs. And those needs are very, erm, patriarchal.

To be fair I did say helped! Can you imagine the ego if she thought she'd managed it on her own.

I just had to go back and check the email I sent earlier, I had a sudden horror that I'd accidentally sent the sweary sweary vile mood one I'd written earlier in the day.

Thankfully I sent them the swearless version!

She can't take all the credit even if she wants to lol. She's had lots of help from many others along the way including Ed Milliband, Margaret Beckett, Lisa Nandy, Angela Rayner etc and all the other women who should know better.....they are elected MPs. If they do not really believe the 'trans identity ideology' gender woo, they shouldn't spout it, as if they do. If they really do believe it, they shouldn't be elected MPs in the first place as they haven't got any common sense.

If you think that women have penises, I won't believe a single word you say about anything else. Because if you will lie about something so obvious, I will assume you lie about everything.

Yep. I'm actually glad Stella is here to remind us that Labour's position is still that women can have penises and that TWAW.

They are currently trying to pretend they believe both GC women (women are entitled to single sex spaces) and TWAW (transwomen are of the female sex).

Which is patently bollocks and everyone needs to know it.

For what it's worth, it's exactly what the Tory spokesbloke said at the non-binary discussion in the Commons last week.

Helped end the Labour party?

Is anyone able to say exactly what Creasy has ever achieved in her political career?

@littlbrowndog @dinosauriam

To be honest looking back now when John Smith died in May 1994 I think the Labour Party that I knew, that had always represented my values and beliefs, died with him.

It's just unlike his very sudden death the party's death has been agonisingly slow!

I agree that this is very much the concern. Anyone who ever read Orwell's 1984 knows why.

I think Lucy van Pelt may walk among us.

And I agree with her post, if people lie so easily and willingly about women having penises then I can't trust anything they say.

This...the UK centre and centre left parties have only themselves to blame...they don't seem to believe in free speech anymore either.

twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1530650618704056321

I'm not sure this PN tweets helps Tory MP accuses Labour MP Stella Creasy of being 'drunk' for saying a woman can have a penis

I'm not a tory MP, but it did cross my mind at one point that Stella was drunk tweeting

It gets easier and is nice to be a free spirit actually. If you had told my 1997 Blair-supporting self I would be voting Conservative in my late 50's, she would not have believed you.

Oh dear, that ROF thread. Someone's linked to this:

mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1530475894002835456?t=at4hx13CXJq9etAJYx_loA&s=19

"Fwiw happen to think even if and when we eradicate FGM, patriarchy will find other ways to oppress women because it’s about power. The very brill
@LeylaHussein
and
@HiboWardere
are campaigners honoured to work with and who discuss how bodily and systemic oppress both possible."

My jaw is on the floor. I wonder what the Sunday politics shows will be like tomorrow?

Beyond the hothouses of Twitter and even Mumsnet, Creasy is coming seriously unstuck.

Take a look at the Roll on Friday law forums with a thread about 'Stella Creasy is gr8 isn’t she?' whereupon it becomes immediately obvious that, other than the OP, the subscribers absolutely don't reckon she's 'gr8'. Indeed Creasy pretty much gets a universal panning. And there's one comment (from 'Lucy van Pelt') which encapsulates just why Labour hasn't been able to take a commanding lead in the polls against a hopeless government.

I heard someone say, "If you think that women have penises, I won't believe a single word you say about anything else. Because if you will lie about something so obvious, I will assume you lie about everything."

That just about sums it up for me.

People saying the sort of stupid, dangerous shit Labour are saying about this issue should not be anywhere near power. I would rather stick with Boris Johnson.

Och don’t be boiled. They don’t like women and girls. Sack em off only thing to do

same as snp.
sack em off they never knew you and they don’t care for you or any women

sack em off

@Forgotthebins the email i sent earlier to Stella and Kier actually contained the words " I am done"

I've given them so so much leeway over the last few years, but Stella today on the back of following Allisons trial this last month pfffffft!

I just can't do it any more I can no longer support the only party I have ever been a member of.

I'm absolutely devastated to be honest.

The point @Floisme makes is true - next time Starmer tries to square the circle I will just think of Stella Creasey saying that words such as woman and female have no fixed meanings. It’s all just a JCR debating game to them. This is no good. I have been postponing this, but I will now finally have to leave the Labour Party. Words have to mean something, material reality has to count for something.

*Stella's woeful webchat here was supposed to be about what could be done to encourage more women into politics.

Yes, there were questions about what they meant by women, but there were also questions about misogyny in politics, the abuse faced by Rosie Duffield and joanna cherry.

It struck me Stella didn't want to talk about any of those issues, she was just here to drum up support for her this mums votes campaign.

She wasn't here to listen or engage.*

Precisely. It was about her and the vacuous campaign. She was showboating. What's even happened to the campaign? Did they discover we can hold a pencil and do our bestest Baldrick X without help?!

The way Stella conducts herself on line is disgraceful but nothing justifies the misogynistic abuse she has received from some people. If only she could make the connection between her sex and the abuse.

There is, I think, a lot of truth in this.

Stella's woeful webchat here was supposed to be about what could be done to encourage more women into politics.

Yes, there were questions about what they meant by women, but there were also questions about misogyny in politics, the abuse faced by Rosie Duffield and joanna cherry.

It struck me Stella didn't want to talk about any of those issues, she was just here to drum up support for her this mums votes campaign.

She wasn't here to listen or engage.