Why the hate?

I've no idea what point you think you're making with this incoherent rambling. Do you believe that gender identity/transgenderism is the same thing as sexual orientation?

What do you say to the people posting that on their forums, without being logically inconsistent and hypocritical?

So on this imagined website, where people are concerned about lesbian criminality and IPV and they say:

"We've got the studies and the figures that prove this. Don't try 'no debate' us because you don't like to hear the truth. These people are a risk to our children, and we have every right to document and record that. It's not hate to try protect our loved ones. I don't want my child to be a lesbian or to be in a relationship with another women after seeing those figures and reading those stories that people try to hush up. And after all, it's just an ideology, more and more girls are identifying as lesbian now because it's a trend and their friends are doing it, it doesn't mean they are actually gay. And I know 2 people who said they were lesbian when they were younger, but they're in straight relationships and absolutely fine now. So it was just a phase, and I'm sure they regretted it, but it just goes to show how easily influenced people can be when they're young. And, well my daughter say it's not a phase for her but she's being ridiculous and naive, those 2 girls regretted it and I know my daughter will too, like them."

Another dump and run by an OP, looking for screen grabs for Twitter perhaps?

www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/lbq_women_prisons_jails.html

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227944/#:~:text=Sexual%20minorities%20(those%20who%20self,in%20jail%20were%20sexual%20minorities.

Here's data showing the overrepresentation of lesbians in US prisons - 2011-12, I very much doubt that these included many male born people who identified as lesbians - don't you?

Why are so many lesbians in prison if they are not disproportionately likely to take part in criminal activity?

These FWR boards use crime anecdotes and figures on trans people without reference to any possibly discrimination trans people might experience in the system, and without any reference to the prejudice and minority stress that they might experience which researchers are well aware can be contributing factors - so logically, to be consistent and not hypocritical, you can not reference these factors in the overrepresentation of lesbians in US jails. So what does that leave you with? Increased inherent criminality in lesbians?

(I am a (law-abiding!) lesbian btw.)

There are dozens of studies in this area showing women are at increased risk of intimate partner violence when they are in relationships with other women, compared to women in relationships with men.

Links?

There are dozens of studies in this area showing women are at increased risk of intimate partner violence when they are in relationships with other women, compared to women in relationships with men.

And this is actually only what is reported - researchers in this are are very aware that IPV is underreported compared to IPV in straight relationships for a number of reasons - eg. that they don't recognise their experience as IPV due to their partner being female rather than male and so it doesn't fit the standard paradigm; that they don't want to harm the community and perception of lesbians by reporting it to authorities; that they may feel a sense of shame at being in a lesbian relationship in the first place and do not want it to be known by others.

Wrong thread! Ignore.

IO and RMW both look quite smug in their frozen shot, I wonder when it was.

I got called a bigot today for wanting to talk about Loudon County by someone I thought would at least be willing to discuss self guarding concerns. Talking about stuff that happened = bigotry. So I guess anything that TRAs don't want to hear is "hate".

Good god, pot, we must have been typing the same thing concurrently. That's quite impressive, even for a sock.

Anyway, OP, why the hate for women and mothers? One thing I really don't understand about ploppers is that they have this need to say something really unpleasant and stupid and then fuck off again.

One thing I really don’t get about trans activism is all the woman- hate could anyone really explain why there’s so much hate really. I’d just like to add really that there needs to be a separation between gender criticism and misogyny when some trans activists talk about women they’re both issues but women haven’t started transphobia so I don’t know why they’re blamed for it all the time.

And a really inter Post from pots…the 22nd one obviously 😀

thats the thing about mumsnet, posters link and talk about some fascinating things…every day is a school day

We are recording crimes committed by people who identify as trans because trans activists keep saying that trans people are incapable of committing sexual violence and should be exempt from safeguarding and variants thereon. Simultaneously I am told that genuine gender dysphoria means that a transwoman could never commit rape, and I am also told that the stigma of being trans means no rapist without gender dysphoria would ever claim to be trans to access victims. And policy is being made on the basis of these absurd claims! Thus we have had to collect data to counter it

this

very well said

Some instances of where I've been accused of transphobia:

• Saying MtF (apparently that term became outdated a few weeks ago).
• Saying LGB (even if the conversation is around sexual orientation, leaving the T out is transphobic).

I'm hearing of more and more transsexual people being accused of transphobia, because they have had to go through surgery, hormones and all sorts of medical treatment and are insulted that men (who have done none of those things) simply self identify as trans and believe that they should be treated as women (without putting any effort in).

That explains a lot. I never bought the lesbians are more violent bs, it just did not tally with any other facts or personal experiance.

Thanks for the details potholes - I did say "if lesbians do have an elevated crime or DV rate" because I absolutely did not take that as fact, knowing what I do about stats and misrepresentation of science studies. (And didn;t have time earlier to go looking it up.)

And it's also a good example of what I was referring to - if a claim like that is made or a result like that is found, it makes sense to dig deeper, discuss it and see what's really going on. This is one obvious explanation for those figures - there could be others too such as willingness to report, or ability to see certain behaviours as DV while you are still involved.

The same goes for the newly high levels of rapes recorded as being by women, and even as being by transwomen – it's likely that that isn't the whole story and we need to dig, discuss and debate. The GI lobby does itself no favours by not wanting this discussed.

I thought pots was feeding us some kind of pasta spam gone wrong.....

It's the online version of speaking in tongues.

I need caffeine...

It looked like a rather interesting art piece.

People told me I should have done coding instead of French. Clearly they were right. Either I have a gift for it or MN is broken. And that would never happen after an update.

Blimey, Potholes, what happened to your first post

I rather enjoyed it.

Blimey, Potholes, what happened to your first post