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Owen Jones sent revolting homophobic abuse

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tabbycatstripy · 22/05/2022 18:48

Owen Jones has posted some terrible homophobic abuse he received on Twitter. It’s ugly stuff. Apparently he knows who sent it (the person made no effort to hide her identity) so I hope he has informed the police.

He’s blaming it on GC ‘anti-trans’ ‘radicalisation’ anyway.

Maybe we could all list below how many times we’ve sent people abusive, threatening messages online (of any sort)?

I’ll start: 0

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nepeta · 22/05/2022 21:39

It is rather horrifying to see the new mob justice in operation. The woman's employer has already been contacted and who knows what other things have been done. But as far as I can tell, it hasn't been even verified yet that the account wasn't hacked.

There are tremendous problems with this new 'justice' of canceling people: There is no defense, the sentences are almost always out of proportion to whatever someone did, and there is no appeal process, either. I know of cases where someone with the same name as a person who was hated online was severely harassed. I wish people with large following such as OJ didn't do this. It's extremely unhealthy as there are proper channels of making a complaint.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2022 21:30

TYOJ wants a debate about who 'radicalises' people to be abusive on the internet.

No he doesn't, he wants to spout off about bad terfy women and get attention for it, while blocking, ignoring, smearing anyone who disagrees with him.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 22/05/2022 21:30

OJ refers to “the anti-trans movement” in those tweets. So assuming GC is not anti-trans, then it’s not GC feminists being referred to.

OJ refers to anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly agree with males in female prisons, refuges and sports, and pumping kids full of powerful puberty blocking drugs as part of 'the anti-trans movement', and has done for a long time. Surely you are aware of that by now?

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 22/05/2022 21:28

He hasn’t said that he hasn’t approached the police, I’d also be impressed if a million followers were after her considering he hasn’t shown who the person/twitter user is

He put in enough information about her account that his followers were easily able to track her down and report her to her employer.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 21:28

Well. Read the tweets, read the other stuff from the account.

That looks to me like a really obvious hack. But presumably Owen has checked, before setting his 1million followers on this one woman, yes, and getting her employer contacted?

Because as we know, he's never been told off for bullying women.

Schnoobly · 22/05/2022 21:25

don't know any woman who obejcts to men wearing make-up etc

@ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus you might need to get out a bit more… there are countless threads all over mn denigrating men for makeups, clothing or hairstyles that are considered feminine.

OJ refers to “the anti-trans movement” in those tweets. So assuming GC is not anti-trans, then it’s not GC feminists being referred to.

ControversialOpening · 22/05/2022 21:24

Horrible abuse.

“I’ve seen some quite lengthy and angry threads on here with lots of abusive things to say about Owen Jones…”

Was any of it homophobic? Did any of this abuse use that sort of language? I don’t recall reading anything like that on here.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 22/05/2022 21:24

However OJ doesn't listen to the wrong kind of women and he forcibly ascribes opinions to us that we don't hold.

This.

He is a man telling us what we should be thinking, and if we don't think as he says we should, then he still tells us what we think (even when that's not actually what we think).

Women can't possibly have opinions that either he holds himself, or that he has ascribed to them.

I hope the police find who is responsible for the abuse he has received.

nepeta · 22/05/2022 21:20

In the comments to one of Owen's tweets several suspected...

drum roll...

Mumsnet!
to be the cause of the radicalisation leading to those horrible tweets.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 22/05/2022 21:19

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FunnyTalks · 22/05/2022 21:14

RoyalCorgi · 22/05/2022 20:51

Has Owen ever, once, condemned the activists on his side who posted pornography in a Twitter thread JK Rowling had asking for children's pictures?

Has he ever condemned the thousands of graphic threats of rape, sexual torture and murder sent to feminists by trans activists?

Did he ever condemn the physical assault on Maria MacLachlan by a trans activist and the attempted physical assault on Julie Bindel?

Did he condemn the trans activists in France who hanged a woman in effigy?

Did he condemn the protesters who let off smoke bombs at a WPUK meeting? Or who issued bomb threats to a WPUK venue?

Did he condemn the trans activists who held up signs saying "Suck my dick, you transphobic cunts” outside the Filia conference in Portsmouth where women were sharing their stories of sexual abuse?

I thought not.

Of course he didn't. Smoke bombs by Grenfell tower.

Obviously a person who is genuinely gender critical wouldn't use homophobic abuse. Obviously it's reprehensible.

However OJ doesn't listen to the wrong kind of women and he forcibly ascribes opinions to us that we don't hold.

It is entirely irrelevant to him what we think. He's a man in a patriarchy and he knows it.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 20:55

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 22/05/2022 19:00

The woman’s account has been dormant for months, and suddenly started sending vile abusive messages to a variety of people last night. As Owen points out himself, the previous posting history is all completely innocent and the woman’s name, face and workplace are right there on the account. The account is not yet locked despite the attention it’s getting.

The messages are vile and I condemn them utterly. I hope Owen Jones did his due diligence as a journalist (lol) and confirmed they actually came from the person he sicced his flying monkeys on, because it looks like a hacked account to me.

Oh, dear.

Unacceptable that he's getting abuse.

All sounds a bit odd.

RoyalCorgi · 22/05/2022 20:51

Has Owen ever, once, condemned the activists on his side who posted pornography in a Twitter thread JK Rowling had asking for children's pictures?

Has he ever condemned the thousands of graphic threats of rape, sexual torture and murder sent to feminists by trans activists?

Did he ever condemn the physical assault on Maria MacLachlan by a trans activist and the attempted physical assault on Julie Bindel?

Did he condemn the trans activists in France who hanged a woman in effigy?

Did he condemn the protesters who let off smoke bombs at a WPUK meeting? Or who issued bomb threats to a WPUK venue?

Did he condemn the trans activists who held up signs saying "Suck my dick, you transphobic cunts” outside the Filia conference in Portsmouth where women were sharing their stories of sexual abuse?

I thought not.

tabbycatstripy · 22/05/2022 20:48

It’s worrying (if not surprising) that so many people want her reported to her employer and not the police. An employer might be more inclined to fire someone summarily for something they didn’t actually do, whereas the police would investigate who actually had access to her account. The messages obviously meet the bar for criminal conduct.

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StillWeRise · 22/05/2022 20:45

he's getting a lot of love and support as a result of this
I found 1 person suggesting maybe the account was hacked...seems very likely to me
then I found someone protesting that no, the woman shouldn't be reported to her employer but rather to her union😆what world are they living in
otoh the tweets are beyond vile and should definitely be reported, I hope he does.

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 20:38

Yes we presumably also caused her to send racist abuse to a second person, transphobia to a third person, and misogyny to a fourth.
After not using her account for ages, but while still displaying her name and employer.

nauticant · 22/05/2022 20:37

Since we only have a partial set of facts, I'll leave the thread to continue on its way with a repetition of my view that those messages are horrible and deserve condemnation.

Clymene · 22/05/2022 20:36

And yes, I do absolutely condemn this white middle class man getting sent homophobic abuse. That's absolutely disgusting and I hope he's able to identify the perpetrators

tabbycatstripy · 22/05/2022 20:35

‘By the way, did you all see that Mumsnet has been blamed for the 'radicalisation' of this young woman by Owens minions?’

Yes, as usual.

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Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 20:29

Anyway, it's horrible abuse and if the person gets themself a social media ban, or police involvement, that's fine by me.

Yes. Presumably police / Twitter will have some way of knowing if it was really the account owner or if it was hacked, and can sort it from there.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 22/05/2022 20:28

It was clearly a hacked account - nothing since last October and then a barrage of homophobic, misogynistic, transphobic and racist abuse to various people in 24hrs?

Owen either knew this was a hacked account and tweeted anyway, or was so intent on making a point about 'seemingly normal people being radicalised' that he didn't engage his brain that this might be the case before tweeting identfying information about the account to his 1 million followers.

Now tonight, a woman somewhere is in massive shit with her job, and she most likely didn't even do anything. She will probably still get in trouble though for having her workplace linked to her Twitter and whatever happens, it will cause a load of shit in her workplace.

It is absolute shit to get the sort of abuse he does, but this is not coming from people who have been 'radicalised', it is coming from trolls. And he has never spoken out against the absolutely disgusting abuse about JKR and described those people as 'radicalised'. He is a massive double standard hypocrite.

By the way, did you all see that Mumsnet has been blamed for the 'radicalisation' of this young woman by Owens minions?

nauticant · 22/05/2022 20:24

Anyway, it's horrible abuse and if the person gets themself a social media ban, or police involvement, that's fine by me.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 22/05/2022 20:23

D'you think OJ would have claimed "radicalised by GCs" if the account had appeared to belong to a man?

I would bet money that he gets awful abusive messages regularly. He will have highlighted this particular one to his followers specifically because it seemed to come from a woman, and presumably his desire to burn a woman at the stake overrode caution and common sense.

nauticant · 22/05/2022 20:20

Ahh, I now see another reply from him:

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1528382052688617478

tabbycatstripy · 22/05/2022 20:19

The entire premise he tries to flog is ridiculous, really. As if there is actually a ‘slippery slope’ from ‘I don’t think people can literally change sex’ to calling people abusive names and issuing threats. There isn’t. I just think what I’ve always thought. If anyone is radicalised, it’s not me.

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