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How language has changed in 6 years

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Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 08:04

Compare and contrast these two news reports, one from today, and the other from 2016.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61477168

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37606726

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nepeta · 22/05/2022 18:58

I don't see why not. I don't see why people need to be socially categorized by "sexes" in the first place.

😆

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2022 18:37

To try and force the majority of society to disregard sex is 1. authoritarian extremism and 2. never going to happen.

Quite.

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 18:31

Gender is a misogynistic social construct used to oppress women and men
It is impossible to change Sex.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 18:21

A small minority of people may be happy to not discriminate wrt sex, but the vast majority of people do want to know what someone's sex is, whether that be for risk assessment, or for reasons of religious observance, or before considering them as a potential sexual partner, or for medical treatment, or for any of a number of other reasons.

To try and force the majority of society to disregard sex is 1. authoritarian extremism and 2. never going to happen.

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 18:07

IamAporcupine · 22/05/2022 17:46

@SeldomHere
Nope, I contest the notion that the labels of "man" and "woman" are "sex class", rather than merely socially constructed gender categories built around sex (i.e. not sex itself)

I don't understand.
Are you saying that both sexes can be included in these social categories built around (each) sex?

I don't see why not. I don't see why people need to be socially categorized by "sexes" in the first place.

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 18:02

Don’t know what happened there, I was thanking hearmywomanlyroar for the complaints link

Scorchedterf · 22/05/2022 17:59

Thank you, I have submitted my complaint.

IamAporcupine · 22/05/2022 17:46

@SeldomHere
Nope, I contest the notion that the labels of "man" and "woman" are "sex class", rather than merely socially constructed gender categories built around sex (i.e. not sex itself)

I don't understand.
Are you saying that both sexes can be included in these social categories built around (each) sex?

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 16:04

hearmywomanlyroar · 22/05/2022 09:04

Thanks for highlighting, I've made a complaint. Side note - double depressing that it's a woman who wrote the article. What hope do we have when some women so gleefully embrace this bullshit?

The bigger threat is that it's being spread amongst our youth - the future leaders of.... everything, future policy-makers and law-makers - in schools.

If that doesn't stop then there is literally no stopping trans ideology being the dominant ideology.

Then we're really in for it. Then thought crimes become 100% real.

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 16:01

334bu · 22/05/2022 08:35

The only change is to the language which links female biology to the word " woman". No similar change has been made to erase the word " man" as transmen don't count as they are female. This is patriarchy at its most blatant as it is male people demanding this , so that they can call themselves women.

I'm totally against trans ideology, but it struck me that whilst what you say is true, the change here is actually to accommodate women who believe they are men.

Transwomen don't have periods, so the menstrual leave for "people who have periods" won't affect a trans woman because he won't have periods.

In a way it's a bit of a hoodwink on these trans activists; 'we are women we are women'

But.. you are not "people who have periods" so you don't get the menstrual leave, which would be an acute reminder you are not really a woman at all.

Another one I spotted was they were going on about wanting access to female toilets. The trans women did not want unisex toilets, they wanted to be allowed to walk into the women's.

But... what they got was unisex toilets. So now they're in with the men anyway.

This is all just a case of them being appeased, but in a crap way that doesn't really affirm them at all, and they are non the wiser. I don't see them complaining that toilets are unisex and not male and female but they can go in the female one.

SpindleInTheWind · 22/05/2022 15:41

This is patriarchy at its most blatant as it is male people demanding this , so that they can call themselves women

It's patriarchy all right.

But I think it's more that men want to stop women being able to call ourselves women; so that we are just 'things' or 'entities'. 'Those who birth'; 'those who menstruate'; etc.

Men don't really want to call themselves women. They just want to stop women doing it. For us to be de-contextualised and formless, like blood in a blood bank.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:31

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:25

"we're not actually banishing the word from the English language".
Tell that to the BBC.

Aye, given we're discussing an article on periods that studiously avoids using the word even once, that is a bit rich.

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:31

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 15:04

Would you feel comfortable being constantly referred to as a man?

It would worry me if a doctor about to give me medical treatment had me down as the wrong sex. That would be potentially dangerous.

I dgaf how randos 'refer' to me, no.

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:25

"we're not actually banishing the word from the English language".
Tell that to the BBC.

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SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 15:22

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:19

When has any specific woman ever been referred to as a "menstruator"?

Did you just say "woman"? Did you mean that?

Yes? Contrary to your idiotic strawmen, we're not actually banishing the word itself from the English language.

A cis woman is a woman. We never argued otherwise.

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:19

When has any specific woman ever been referred to as a "menstruator"?

Did you just say "woman"? Did you mean that?

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334bu · 22/05/2022 15:18

When has any specific woman ever been referred to as a "menstruator"?

😂

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/05/2022 15:16

Would you feel comfortable being constantly referred to as a man?

It always makes me giggle (not) when right on, woke, trendy pronoun users who probably don't even know what a pronoun is or does use man/men as the default - for example "In his book I'm So Fucking Over Misogyny Smith (2020) says ..." when Smith is a woman. In other words, women have been invisibilised and mis-sexed for fucking generations.

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 15:15

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:13

I'm sure if doctors constantly diminished you in nearly every sentence, it would in no way discourage you from seeking medical services.

You think? Like "menstruator" or "person with a cervix"?

When has any specific woman ever been referred to as a "menstruator"?

334bu · 22/05/2022 15:15

Would you feel comfortable being constantly referred to as a man?

Am I male or female?

Plasmodesmata · 22/05/2022 15:13

I'm sure if doctors constantly diminished you in nearly every sentence, it would in no way discourage you from seeking medical services.

You think? Like "menstruator" or "person with a cervix"?

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SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 15:04

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:01

'misgender'.

Isn't even a thing.

Would you feel comfortable being constantly referred to as a man?

SeldomHere · 22/05/2022 15:03

TheWeeDonkey · 22/05/2022 14:56

Oh wow, misgendering a fate worse than death? A slow painful death by the sounds of it too.

Right, I'm sure if doctors constantly diminished you in nearly every sentence, it would in no way discourage you from seeking medical services. 🙂

MagnoliaTaint · 22/05/2022 15:01

'misgender'.

Isn't even a thing.

TheWeeDonkey · 22/05/2022 14:56

Oh wow, misgendering a fate worse than death? A slow painful death by the sounds of it too.