Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

So a woman who’s had a hysterectomy is a man?

It does, actually. Sex is a sum of components, and altering the components that make up one's sex, alters one's sex.

You can use whatever label you want, but your biology, in terms of your genetics, is immutable. You can cut your nuts off, but while that will have an impact on your endocrine system, it won't change your genes. It will, to use my analogy above, turn you into a gelding, not a mare.

that simply means they feel comfortable as a woman

I don't know what this means though. My body is just what it is. There are bits about it that are a bit shit and bits that are not so bad. It's a woman's body which is a biological fact. But that does not mean I feel comfortable as a woman.

Do you just mean it says you're not trans? Assuming people will see that I'm female which they probably will given how accurate humans are at sexing one another.

We can choose our labels, and we can alter our biology.

Everyone can. Women who don't identify as men can take hormones or get a hysterectomy. It doesn't change their sex.

Because being a "boy" or a "girl" are both a matter of gender rather than "biological sex
Sex has a legal and biological meaning that most people understand. As long as that is understood, trans women can call themselves women. What they can't do is expect to be treated as women in all circumstances.

All the definitions I found mention "transitioning from male to female" or "a woman who was born male"

So they imply that it's not actually the same as a woman.

Some even said "a male with a female gender identity"

So no.
It doesn't say a transwoman is a woman.

@divingskies
> and indeed are the opposite of our position

Like you do when you project nonsense on us like the supposed belief that "feminine men must be women"?

It's a load of bollocks. Just ignore.

I want to thank SeldomHere for engaging on this thread.

To see how they have some comprehensively ignored the crux of our arguments, claimed we are saying things we are not, and indeed are the opposite of our position, their inability to provide rigorous and defensible definitions of their key concepts, and their insistence we just have to be nice and respect others identities without addressing in any way the damaging implications that has for women, has really highlighted in one thread both the vacuity at the heart of the gender ideologists position, and their complete lack of interest or concern for women and girls.

@EdithStourton
> But the thing is, luv, you can't choose your biology.

We can choose our labels, and we can alter our biology.

There are two types of pronoun displayers: controlling trans activists or advocates of both sexes and virtue signalling #bekind people who haven't really thought it all through.

That's all we're saying, that's all we're asking for. To give people the option to choose.
But the thing is, luv, you can't choose your biology. End of. You can present however you want, but saying something doesn't make it true. And I don't want to become complicit in your madness.

Or let me explain. I can take a colt (a young male horse) and cut his nuts off. This happens frequently, because stallions (intact adult male horses) can be bloody hard to handle, and geldings (the ones with no nuts) are generally much more placid. However, neither I nor the gelding can turn him into a mare (an adult female horse). If I want another foal, I need to put the mare in with the stallion.

It's the same with dogs. Guinea pigs. Cape buffalo. Grizzly bears. I won't even get on to the birds and the bees. There is a sex binary. You don't get to choose where you are. You can choose how you present, but you can't choose your sex, and you don't get to tell other people that the words they use have changed their meanings.

No such thing as trans. Anyway even if there was (and I don’t believe there is) why don’t they stick the pronouns on to the end of their emails?

Why are we all expected to indulge in this nonsense? I haven’t met a single person in my life who agrees with it and I know many different people from all walks.

Actually i am lying. There is one person who has done it on her Instagram and she hasn’t got a mind of her own. She’s also the type to share ridiculous things on social media and has zero critical thinking skills.

Yup. All that good work is being undone. If the gender identity ideology gets what it wants, everyone must identify with one bundle of the stereotypes which were constructed around how (mostly sexist) societies interpreted proper sex-based behaviour.

But why would anyone wish to do that when the alternative is to just be your own person but to accept that you are either of the female or the male sex?

The dictionary says trans men are men and trams women are women.

Did you say this to black people who objected to Rachel Dolezol?

You must have done as the logic is exactly, and I really do mean exactly, the same.

And most of this stuff is regressive gender stereotyping of the kind we have been fighting against for years.

Why can’t people just feel how they want to feel without imposing pronouns etc on others?

Weird

Because being a "boy" or a "girl" are both a matter of gender rather than "biological sex

The dictionary says a "boy" is a young male.
So no. A female can't be a boy.

Otherwise you'd have to confront the fact you're just attacking people for breaking away from the rigid gender norms imposed on them based on their "sex"

You're free to define your identity by your physiology. You're not free to define everyone else's identity that way.

We are perfectly free to do this. Take it up with the Human Rights Act and the protected characteristic of belief in the EA 2010.

Well, if she were a trans boy your repressive bullshit would likely drive her to suicidal ideation by now, but sure.

That seems like a fairly huge assumption on your part.

Again, that's cause she isn't trans. A trans kid would be a miserable mess in her situation.

@divingskies
> For someone who believes in respecting identities you sure aren't respectful of our reality-based, biology based 'identities'

You're free to define your identity by your physiology. You're not free to define everyone else's identity that way.