Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

As opposed to your need to impose your linguistic framework on trans people?

Because not all people want to be resistricted by your rigid binary and feel much more comfortable with different labels.

They're free to refer to themselves however they want, aren't they?

The social categories of "man" and "woman" are a social construct (regardless of what they were "based" on) and as such they can be changed.

sex based ideological reality

Sex based reality I meant. . It is an ideology I suppose that words have meanings and reproductive roles and bodily reality for the people of those two classes of people are objective reality. There are alternative world views, like gendered souls.

Because not all people want to be resistricted by your rigid binary and feel much more comfortable with different labels.

Why are youso desperate to restrict other people's lives and identities?

As a general rule of thumb, if you see pronouns in someone's social media profile you know that they are going to be nasty people obsessed with identity politics.

It amazes me how ten years ago trans people got along just fine without this stuff.

Marriage is a social construct and as such it can be changed, a person's sex is a biological fact, and cannot be changed. Gender is a social construct, by all means let men and women present however they want and refer to a 'gender identity' they have, if they wish.

I don't, and never am going to, accept the legitimacy of gender identity ideology as superior to sex based ideological reality. That's it. It's not personal, I just don't believe in what you believe in and therefore I don't want to use language in a way that contradicts how I understand reality.

Why do they need to stay that way though

Why shouldn't they? Why should they instead be based on something you can't define?

Why do they need to stay that way though, when allowing people to choose would give us so much more freedom to live our lives the way we choose?

Marriage was originally also just union between a man and a woman specifically, for the "biological" purpose of making children.

Relaxing those terms to allow for greater freedom is good.

The need to control other people's world view displayed by trans activists is generally illuminating.

The word woman is taken. It means adult human female. Men no matter how they present or what hormones they ingest remain biological men, they are not and never will be women

no thank you

Also, trans women do share many of the same issues and needs as cis women.

No.

Employment and pay discrimination, sexual harassment and, even though you'll deny it, misogynistic abuse.

All classes of people with a protected characteristic suffer discrimination. That's why the Equality Act exists.

Male people only suffer from misogyny when the misogynist genuinely believes they are directing it as a woman, which is not the usual way of things, because in most cases people's sex is perfectly obvious. Misogyny is about women and girls.

The labels themselves are not inherent to biology. Nor do they have to "mean" anything

But words do mean things. Isn't that the point of words? They have a commonly understood meaning so that we can understand each other. So woman has a definition. Transwomen means something else. That doesn't mean transwomen are less. Just that they aren't the same.

Why does "woman" need to be a "sex-based category"?

Because as even you acknowledged, that's where "gender labels" come from.

Also, trans women do share many of the same issues and needs as cis women.

Employment and pay discrimination, sexual harassment and, even though you'll deny it, misogynistic abuse.

Likewise, trans women being women doesn't mean non-trans women aren't women anymore.

Why does "woman" need to be a "sex-based category"? Why do we need rigid, socially and legally enforced "sex categories"?

The labels themselves are not inherent to biology. Nor do they have to "mean" anything.

I'm not sure why I italicised my own first paragraph there!

Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone else, does it? If two gay men get married it doesn't mean that heterosexual couples aren't married any more.

Gender critical feminists mostly don't accept or believe in the existence of a sex based category that includes our sex and some people of the opposite sex who we have little in common with as a group and don't share most of the same political issues and needs. It's a nonsense.

They don't feel alien, I just think they are pointless and stupid and I won't join in with this nonsense.

@Zerogravity
> We just don't want you to appropriate our words - find your own. Women have been women for thousands of years. Maybe find your own word?

And how is this different from the arguments against gay marriage?

Why should I respect someone who insists on being a spiteful, disrespectful bigot?

Why should any woman (or man) respect someone who insults them while trying to force an ideological position on them that they simply reject? We don't need your respect, we're fine with our own self respect.

You seem.a bit confused. It's nothimg to do with equality. We just don't want you to appropriate our words - find your own. Women have been women for thousands of years. Maybe find your own word?

The only reason any of you have ever given for refusing is basically refusing to acknowledge trans people as equals.

This is hyperbolic nonsense. They are equal as human beings. It's just not possible to be the sex that you are not, and sometimes it matters very much.

So, it is extremely clear cut.

You are hardly any different from a straight person who refuses the term "heterosexual" saying it means "defining the normal people around an abnormality".

That's how you're treating trans people.