Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

A trans woman who like to wear dresses is just a woman who likes to wear dresses.

Nothing more to it.

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Do people really thing gender is a social construct? Lol 😂

Last I heard you needed a sperm and an egg to reproduce. Sperm from the male and egg from the female. Biological fact.

My 10 year old daughter believed there was more than two genders so I had to set the record straight with her not to believe this nonsense that some woke loon imagined up.

Well a lot of tw wholeheartedly embrace stereotypes!

@penpalgal
> I have never chosen either femininity or my female body as an identity. Femininity is a social construct that has been imposed upon me by society

Do you think any of this is different for trans people?

It's not my fault you keep ignoring it.

Indulge me again. And no "they just are women" isn't a meaningful answer. Why do biological males feel that they are better described as the word for female people when there is a word that describes an adult male person? If it has nothing to do with stereotypes, social expectations around sex etc?

Going back to the OP, to be forced to declare my pronouns bothers me because it suggests that I've ever had a choice in being female and all the experiences I've had on account of being female, when I haven't. I have never chosen either femininity or my female body as an identity. Femininity is a social construct that has been imposed upon me by society, some aspects of which I have embraced and many I have rejected for the ways in which they disadvantage and oppress me. My female body is a fact of biology, not something I have chosen, and whilst I would love to reject how my female body causes others to react to me, this has not been possible - I mean, I could transition, but I don't particularly want to have a masculine body, I just want to avoid the trouble that others give me for having a female body eg. sexual assault, being undermined at work etc. Being asked to display pronouns undermines my lived reality of being a woman, because it implies that being a woman is just a concept and something that I have chosen for myself, when it has never been a choice.

And I told you countless of times, if you think feminine names and pronouns are stereotypes, then refusing to refer to trans women by feminine names and pronouns is enforcing stereotypes.

Imposing "sex-based" names and pronouns is like imposing "sex-based" clothes.

It has also been explained to you that your definition was all about steretypes. You seem to be ignoring that.

It's not my fault you keep ignoring it.

I work with hundreds of young people I can't remember everyone's pronouns. I also speak multiple languages at work - and the "pronoun issue" is very relevant as sex is not just expressed through pronouns but in other ways too. It's not as simple as you seem to think. You seem to think everyone is monolingual and has very limited contact with people.

I have

No you haven't.

I notice you clipped the bit of my quote where I said "or opposite gender" off. So what exactly am I misinterpreting? If being trans doesn't make you the opposite sex, which you seem to be agreeing with then transwomen are male. Good we agree. And in English the word for an adult male human is Man.

So what is a trans woman? So far you've told us it aren't based on stereotypes; and it's not to do with likes and dislikes. So what is it?

I don't particularly care what pronouns people use. If someone asks me to use the opposite of what I'd expect (eg he/him for a transman) or they/them then I will. I've got a transman acquaintance. I refer to him as a transman. While acknowledging that he is biologically female.
What I object to is being told I need to display/announce my pronouns. Use the ones you think I am. If you get it wrong and it bothers me I'll tell you. Chances are I won't care.

"Woman" which even at its widest gender ideological conceptualisation is mostly female people, must mean something to opposite sexed trans people for them to claim it. What does it mean to them? Let's not be disingenuous that it has zero to do with sex, that's an obvious falsehood.

That's the purpose of stating pronouns. Duh.

I have.

So there is no purpose to it? Well women DO need a word in order to fight sex-based oppression. According to you, trans people don't. They just want it. I would say the needs of half the population trump the wants of a few. You can't always get what you want.

Why did you insist there needs to be a "purpose".

Because that's how categories work.

Pressed Post too soon... I meant to add, if the perfectly polite and nervy TW at lunch had turned round and told me that they were literally a woman same as me and it was all just a social category anyway, my sympathies would have immediately shrivelled and I would have given them short shrift.

(By the way, I just avoided pronouns then and in the retelling, because "she" is not what I perceived).

Again: it's not. It's using sex-based pronouns. You said gender identity is not obvious, it's an internal feeling so how am I even meant to remember what everyone's "gender identity " pronouns are? It's impossible.

Again, please define what transgender identity is based on if not sex or sex role stereotypes.

*Why do you insist

Why did you insist there needs to be a "purpose".

Maybe because you reject any definition that doesn't agree with your own framework?

If these males have little to no similarities with female people as a whole, what is the purpose of this category?