A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

This is a "mother" feeding her child, a "woman" enjoying the special moment of breastfeeding, a "woman" producing "milk" etc.

It has been quite clear hasn't it that this is the way we are expected to think and to talk.

I wonder, really, if those posters seeing this statement feel any discomfort in what they are supporting.

I also assume we must not use the f word. I don't mean fuck.

Oh FGS. I didn't think about that. That is abuse.

Are we allowed to say this is gross?

Missing the point that always breastfeeding an infant needs more breastmilk as breastmilk is quite different to formula feeding.

To clarify, an exclusively breastfed infant requires every single drop of milk they intake to be the correct nutritional level due to the different consistency and nutritional richness per ml.

I suspect we will be given NO answers to what are the benefits to the child.

Nothing has been proposed as yet. Not one of these supportive posters addressed it at all.

I would like to think they are now considering it from a child centred point of view, BUT I doubt it.

The poster, Helen8220, actually went on to say the following.

-the arguments based on the idea that the child’s well-being, and the avoidance of any possible risk, however small, should effectively override all other considerations, remind me of the moral pressure that often seems to be put on women to breastfeed - that the benefits to the baby have been scientifically proven and therefore must outweigh almost all reasons the mother might have for not wanting to (eg related to the interference with their independence or ability to work, or the sharing of care);

So, we are faking concern to children's well-being and it is just like the pressure to breastfeed over formula.

-it also reminds me very strongly of the many arguments that have been made against gay people or same sex couple raising children - it’s a social experiment, it’s unnatural, the impact on the child can’t be known, it’s based on (at best) the gay person’s narcissistic desire for validation, or (at worst) some deviant sexual interest in children;

So, anyone expressing concern, pointing out the obvious lack of any evidence to support males breastfeeding their secretions to infants are doing it from hate, from phobia and this poster neglects to acknowledge that these are MALES who are seeking to do this. MALES who don't have the necessary systems to support adequate milk (if it is ever found to be able to be called milk) production so it is not going to be in the child's interest to be breastfed this way.

But, people raising the issues around this are just doing it because these are transitioned males.

-if the child is being bf by the other parent as well (which is the impression I got from the screenshot on Twitter) I’m not sure how relevant the arguments about nutrition are;

And this one was a great one. It doesn't matter because parents may co-breast feed the infant and nutrition doesn't matter.

Missing the point that always breastfeeding an infant needs more breastmilk as breastmilk is quite different to formula feeding.

Missing the point that even substituting one feed a day with a less nutritious feed than from either the carefully mother-child constituted breastmilk or formula will result in an infant NOT GETTING full nutrition.

Missing the point that if the mother's milk has come in, that mother needs to feed regularly to both sustain the flow of the milk AND to cope with engorgement.

So.... that is all ok baby and mum. Baby, you can still cope with lower nutrition because the other parent is happy now. And mum, you just suck up the fact that this may interrupt your milk supply, your comfort, your ability to sleep without discomfort just so your partner can have 'an experience' that doesn't benefit you or the child.

But we are the ones who are ill-informed apparently.

What would happen to a woman who knowingly and deliberately underfed a newborn baby?

THIS!!!

You just summarised what I, and no doubt most other women on MN who've read and/or contributed to this thread are thinking.

I could add to it, but I'd be banned undoubtedly.

The research tells us that exclusively breastfed babies take in an average of 25 oz (750 mL) per day between the ages of 1 month and 6 months. Different babies take in different amounts of milk; a typical range of milk intakes is 19-30 oz per day (570-900 mL per day).

That poor baby

Or worse, but, ya'know, I'll be deleted

So this really all is for the trans woman’s benefit I would imagine.

Yes.

Vanity exercise.

That baby is going to develop breasts as a toddler. That is not ok.

Yes Elsiebear.

After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed? This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!

And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.

www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

I’m sure I read into this a while ago and found that any “milk” that is produced is in such small quantities that it can’t support a baby, I think there was a case in 2018 where a trans woman took a cocktail of hormones and could only produce half the minimum amount of milk needed to support the baby. So this really all is for the trans woman’s benefit I would imagine.

Well said @RealityCheck7

My goddess it is heartbreaking and distressing that this is where women’s rights and children’s welfare are in the current political landscape.

That Baron has an older sister.
The sister can’t take on the role because she us a proper woman.
A male who ID’s as a “ Woman” is able to take it on though.

The World has gone completely mad over this ridiculous pretence.

Well at the rate we are going, that will be included in some history resource for schools under the banner of inclusion in order to further normalise All This Shit.

The emperor Tiberius was reported to have taken an unweaned child and put it to his nipple. It was regarded as one of the worst of his many sexual perversions.

he died unlamented, probably at the hands of his great nephew

In a world when GRC owning transwoman Matilda Simon claims a hereditary title only granted to males above his elder sister, retains the name of Baron and is lauded as the first 'female' hereditary peer by the national press, plus knowing the GRA is 'legal fiction', how can rightly angry women not use real language on a feminism board?

I'm all for being sensitive but I think we have a real need to use real language at times where things are massively taking the piss.