A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

To be clear, I think breastmilk donations are a valuable service as there are many babies who have specific need for breastmilk.

Yes. I understand a bit about donated breast milk. But that is from a female donor. And the base nutritional value would be able to be anticipated and no doubt a declaration for any drugs would be taken at the least.

Please correct me if I am wrong as I have not used one.

So, you are right. The mother could donate her milk for that feed to another infant while the male does the other feed with the unknown nutritional value for their own child.

beast would you feed your child male donated breastmilk?

Plenty of people supplement with donated breast milk. There's breast milk banks, milk sharing websites, direct donation. I fed my own baby and donated to the milk bank with DC1 and with DC2 I fed her exclusively and did a direct donation to a woman unable to feed.

I think that there are many people who put aside their ability to think critically about this because of the pressure to ‘be kind’ and they will do it because ‘it is not their child’.

When you have people who know little about how breastfeeding actually works telling posters that ‘co-breastfeeding’ should be totally acceptable, it blows my mind. When my milk came in, missing a feed meant I had to pump or it effected my supply after the painful breasts were finally emptied. It was hard enough to get breastfeeding right without that happening.

So what benefit is co-breastfeeding with anyone unless you want to build up a store of milk or continue for long term. (Ie two women sharing equally from the start and continuing as long as possible)

Mothers with low supply would supplement with a formula feed, I would expect as a ‘top up’ after. Formula is an known quality. They would not supplement with a substance of unknown quality.

Who on earth would think that is acceptable?

But there we have it. People emboldened by ‘being kind’ and their own prejudices that posters on this board must be wrong, ill informed and hateful, saying it is fine for both baby and mother to have one or two less nutritious feeds a day.

To accommodate a male need.

And those supporting this feel righteous enough to seek to shame people rejecting this? That they are on the right side of history?

yeah…. No thank you.

The needs of the adult would likely override that of a powerless child.

If male.

It seems there may be a rights/needs ranking of man > child > woman.

I think you can apply that most of the time and it works.

Probably the child would be considered at real risk of harm.
But used as a prop in a vanity exercise it likely would be allowed in case it hurt the adult’s feelings.
The needs of the adult would likely override that of a powerless child.

People are being bullied online - and in real life- if they say how uncomfortable this invasion of women’s spaces is to them by “ People who weren’t born female but say they are”.
Women having sport invaded, and now, babies being used like this does not sit well with many people.
A baby can’t say no.

Hopefully there are sensible, sane breastfeeding groups out there where women can feel safe.

That's the intention. We are silenced so men can sexually abuse children. Other women enforce the silencing.

I would have been so grateful to see a sensible comment although I wouldn't have liked it for fear of being called out IRL and online.

This is the fundamental reason reason Twitter, and apparently FB, has broken people's brains.

It has public ballots.

The first time I saw this sort of thing - when people started wittering about "Web 2.0" (in the early 2000s?) - I guess what we'd now call "social media" - this sort of over-sharing of information seemed to be the key distinguishing feature from traditional forums.

We have private ballots for a reason - to find out what people really think. So they can say it without coercion. In fact, to totally enforce that, it's actually illegal to even* *voluntarily reveal your election votes, to make it harder for people to be coerced to do so.

The public showing of "likes" in something like Twitter is totally 100% opposed to well-established democratic process, and has - totally unsurprisingly - led to totalitarianism and massive preference falsification.

So, Elon Musk, if you're reading this, make Twitter likes private. If people want to support something publicly, they can retweet or whatever, but correct the situation so you can see what people really think via likes.

If I'd seen your post in this group (and it's possible as I'm in lots of bf groups) I would have been so grateful to see a sensible comment although I wouldn't have liked it for fear of being called out IRL and online. I can guarantee that there would have been loads of women in the same position. I honestly don't think most women think this is ok, even if they're not au fait with the whole trans issue, they just won't commit it text online for fear of backlash.

@WarriorN I'm going to send you an inbox for the name of the breastfeeding group if that's ok.

Absolutely right.
What about colostrum!

The most valuable substance for newborns surely is formed by the female body being pregnant, as it lasts for such a short time.
Colostrum replacers are used for orphaned lambs, so a baby ''fed'' by a non pregnant person would need a human colostrum replacer, surely?

What about Colostrum?

Whoops was supposed to quote @Realitycheck7

This is perfect. I've mentioned above but I'm on multiple Facebook groups for breastfeeding and the smallest comment and you're muted/ deleted/ booted out of the group. There is no where to share what you think without being completely silenced. I'm not even talking mean comments, just anything that questions anything to do with trans etc it's actually really scary, the voices are there but they're being turned off in favour of biological men. Whoops I'm not allowed to say that 🫢🫢

@WarriorN thanks 😊 I'm actually fine for now, have been breastfeeding for 2y3m but am pregnant with our second and aside from these posts and the odd comments here and there I've found the groups really helpful. Sadly these posts are becoming much too frequent! All breastfeeding journeys are different so I hope to still have support with the next one!

I've actually had a couple of private messages since my comments saying they are grateful that I posted so that's nice ❤️

I'll pm tomorrow - only issue is that it's regional. They may know a good local group though.

Sane lactational consultants do exist ;)

Or rather.... NOT to lose my shit!

Please do tell. I'm 6 months pregnant and hoping to be able to breastfeed (I was born female and very much still am BTW!). I'd love to join a FB breastfeeding group which neither supports this utter madness nor insists its members refer to the act of feeding a baby 'chestfeeding' because I absolutely do not trust myself to completely lose my shit if that were the case!

@WarriorN would be interested 😊 I've finally had some support on there but have been called transphobic a good 3 times now. Apparently I'm not a very nice person!

Sorry loves. I know of a v good group where you'd be able to comment and be included.

We need a code. My 9 yr old has one of those spinny things. Or there's the method where you have the first word for abcd etc and then just put the remaining alphabet letters in.

"Findus crispy pancakes" is allowed afaik.

I made the mistake of commenting on one of these posts about a transwoman breastfeeding on a "breastfeeding support group" I'm part of on Facebook. I regret it now, completely shot down by women supporting it other than a few likes on my comments but I'd imagine other women are too scared to comment. I'll probably be booted out of the group.

How do we deal with this? My comments weren't hateful, just pointing out certain things about preferring not to be referred to as a "chestfeeder" and how women who are naturally made to breastfeed (not talking about women who can't for whatever reason) aren't getting the support but now transwoman (men) are being enabled to do it. Completely shot down and made to feel like a horrible person. Won't do it again but I feel like we're not allowed to share our views anymore???

So that's why my comment was deleted.
I used a three letter acronym beginning with first letter of alphabet, , then the seventh, then the sixteenth., in response to the ''Feeding'' link that showed a ''Person'' sexually stimulating themselves holding their genitalia while attached to a breast pump.

That was grotesque and I wish I could erase that unpleasant image from my mind.

It's madness.
Why are ''They'' so afraid of it being called out for what it is? A three letter acronym and a F {not fuck}.

Yes. And exclusively (no other source of nutrition) for six weeks, or even 12 weeks. Knowing what they know about 'supply'.

I'd be interested to know whether the people who support this would hand over their own biological newborn baby to a TW in order for them to 'feed' the child.

If so, on what grounds? If not, why not?