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A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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Soubriquet · 21/05/2022 14:43

A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 21/05/2022 15:57

Midlifemusings · 21/05/2022 15:28

A single case study. Effective for 6 weeks:

A 30-year-old transgender woman who had been receiving feminizing hormone therapy for the past 6 years presented to our clinic with the goal of being able to breastfeed her adopted infant. After implementing a regimen of domperidone, estradiol, progesterone, and breast pumping, she was able to achieve sufficient breast milk volume to be the sole source of nourishment for her child for 6 weeks

One of the most popular protocols for induced lactation in women is successful in 30% of them. I should think a certain amount of serendipity and possibly survivor/publication bias has gone into this case study of one individual.

RoseslnTheHospital · 21/05/2022 15:57

What is noticeable about the article about a transwoman inducing lactation is no direct evidence of it bar someone apparently witnessing "a few drops". If there were 8oz being produced daily prior to the arrival of the baby, why was some of this not photographed, tested for evidence of what it constitutes of in comparison to breastmilk, what hormone levels it contained, what levels of the several medications being taken were present in the liquid etc etc.

And as others have mentioned there's no investigation into the well-being of the baby and the birth mother.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 21/05/2022 15:47

MayorDusty · 21/05/2022 15:26

I'm not up to date with bfeeding. What would be the benefit of this?

To make the adult feel good.

grey12 · 21/05/2022 15:43

Isaidnoalready · 21/05/2022 15:35

So if this was available why was I you'd to give up as my body wasn't producing breast milk? Why is this protocol not available to born women? I wasn't even told this was an option just give the baby formula

As mentioned before it is available but it takes months so not really suitable for someone who just gave birth 😉 however it is used for women who are adopting, for example.

MayorDusty · 21/05/2022 15:42

Apart from saying spironolacto can pass through breast milk that report is just about if it's possible to induce lactation and if a transwoman can.
Which part shows the benefit to the baby?

Soubriquet · 21/05/2022 15:41

Isaidnoalready · 21/05/2022 15:35

So if this was available why was I you'd to give up as my body wasn't producing breast milk? Why is this protocol not available to born women? I wasn't even told this was an option just give the baby formula

That’s the thing

I didn’t bond too well with dd, so even though I struggled to try and breast feed, it wasn’t working. I was fine with bottle feeding

I had a much better bond with ds when he was first born and I still couldn’t breastfeed properly. What did I get? “Oh just feed him
a bottle”.

I really wanted to breastfeed. I physically ached to do it, but I didn’t get the right support and ended up having to bottle feed.

In the end, he had CMPA so needed prescription formula but that is besides the point.

If I was were trans, would I have gotten more support? It certainly appears to be that way

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RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 21/05/2022 15:41

MayorDusty · 21/05/2022 15:26

I'm not up to date with bfeeding. What would be the benefit of this?

So the trans woman can be a pretend proper woman of course. Oh you meant benefit to the baby? Hmmm.......

IstayedForTheFeminism · 21/05/2022 15:38

I'm sure I saw a TV programme years ago where a man managed to lactate by taking the relevant drugs/hormones. I can't remember if he actually fed a baby at the end though. And it's possible I imagined it!

MidCenturyClegs · 21/05/2022 15:37

"That isn't true

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/"

This honestly sounds like Dolly the Sheep.
(Or was it a cow).

Can you share studies where they've tracked the health of the baby? (I note the study was in 2018 so there may be some indications by now as to whether or not the liquid produced by the chest has had any Heath implications).

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 21/05/2022 15:37

Have these secretions been tested in any way for safety? If not, does no medical authority dare to point out that this is medical experimentation on a human baby?

Isaidnoalready · 21/05/2022 15:35

So if this was available why was I you'd to give up as my body wasn't producing breast milk? Why is this protocol not available to born women? I wasn't even told this was an option just give the baby formula

FictionalCharacter · 21/05/2022 15:34

There have been reports of TW taking the drug domperidone to stimulate lactation. They wouldn’t be able to lactate otherwise because milk production is stimulated by childbirth. They don’t produce anywhere near enough to exclusively feed a baby (but plenty of fantasists and activists claim otherwise).
It’s ridiculous and not good for the baby, but if we say so we get called transphobic.

BluesandClues · 21/05/2022 15:31

The thing is, breastfeeding is a dyadic act. There are so many articles about how responsive the human body is to the baby, how the body will ramp up white cell and antibody production when the baby is ill, how when it’s hot the body will produce more watery milk. The levels of prolactin and how it varies according to the circadian rhythm. The sleep hormone that’s released during the night so Mum will sleep better after breastfeeding in the night. The milk receptors that get laid down during the first two weeks of breastfeeding.

I just don’t think this is something you can even come close to replicating with drugs and protocol.

Midlifemusings · 21/05/2022 15:28

Clymene · 21/05/2022 15:26

No men have managed to feed a baby enough milk - however it's produced - to sustain a baby. No one knows what the drugs do in a male body.

There is no benefit whatsoever to the baby. Which begs the question - who is it for?

That isn't true

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/

Clymene · 21/05/2022 15:26

No men have managed to feed a baby enough milk - however it's produced - to sustain a baby. No one knows what the drugs do in a male body.

There is no benefit whatsoever to the baby. Which begs the question - who is it for?

MayorDusty · 21/05/2022 15:26

I'm not up to date with bfeeding. What would be the benefit of this?

Midlifemusings · 21/05/2022 15:22

This is the protocol being used. It has been used with mothers who have children by surrogacy or adoption and by lesbian couples where both want to breastfeed.

www.canadianbreastfeedingfoundation.org/induced/regular_protocol.shtml

Men can lactate. There are certain medication and medical conditions that cause lactation in men as an unwanted side effect. It is called galactorrhea. I used to work in an area of healthcare that used these medications and saw males lactating - although in those cases, it was a very unwanted side effect leading to discontinuing the medication.

QuebecBagnet · 21/05/2022 15:19

Saw this on a student midwife forum, lots of students saying it’s fine and that there wouldn’t be a supply problem,etc. 😮

Waitwhat23 · 21/05/2022 15:16

I don't know if I'm remembering this correctly but I think the person who came up with this pathway to induce lactation in males wouldn't test it on his own child because he didn't know if there would be any harmful implications. I've never actually seen any research which focuses on the nutritional value/well being of the child rather than the actual mechanics of essentially inducing galactorrea.

WhereIsMyGlasses · 21/05/2022 15:15

So actual women are selfish for having 1 child, they're selfish for having more than the typical 2, they're selfish for not having children, they're selfish for breastfeeding, they're selfish for no breastfeeding, they're selfish for not working qnd looking after their children, they're selfish for working and using childcare, they're selfish for having children in their 40s, they're selfish...for everything!

But, a trans woman is not selfish for taking a whole host of hormones not just for ones self but for a baby who has no choice, and who knows what the ramifications of that will be, it may not truly be realised for 5, 10, 15...years!

😵‍💫🤯

EarringsandLipstick · 21/05/2022 15:14

I am completely confused. This is a transwoman breastfeeding? How?

Am I correct in saying that the hormones they are taking have enabled them to lactate?

I'd no idea this could happen; but it's awful that a newborn is being experimented on this way.

grey12 · 21/05/2022 15:12

Plasmodesmata · 21/05/2022 15:09

That's a good question actually - if there's the possibility for a trans woman to do this, why can't a man?

They would have to submit to taking a LOT of female hormones!!! 🤷🏻‍♀️ what man do you know would want full on breatfeeding boobs on their chest?! Alongside all other secondary female characteristics?..... I'll tell DH wouldn't 😉 but he would have loved to theoretically be able to do it

Soubriquet · 21/05/2022 15:09

I would hope, if there was milk, it was fully tested first.

Children shouldn’t be used as experiments.

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Plasmodesmata · 21/05/2022 15:09

That's a good question actually - if there's the possibility for a trans woman to do this, why can't a man?

AlisonDonut · 21/05/2022 15:08

There really are no words.