A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

Repulsive, self indulgent and quite frankly delusional wants of transwomen. I blame the professionals who plant the seed that it is a real possibility. It's not! Chilling that any cases/experiments have no reference to the nutritional value of the substance that is artificially produced and no mention of the infant's health.

I remember seeing a documentary about a European woman who travelled to Asia to adopt a little girl. She was still BF her toddler son and was desperate to BF the little girl, but the child was maybe a year old. She was expressing into a spoon and then attempting to latch and it was such uncomfortable viewing. Certainly wasn't for the child's benefit. And no, she was not British.

Apologies if this has been said before but I found this article, retweeted, by Owen Jones last night, with it being called "beautiful." Interestingly, he seems to have deleted it today.

We had a bit of latching issues but the sore nipples, mastitis and cramping were absolutely not erotic.
Unless there's another meaning to erotic.

Fully trained (but lapsed) ABM breastfeeding counsellor.

First point - that latch is ALL wrong. You never shove your hand on the back of the baby's head and ram it onto the breast. That's how you get cracked and bleeding nipples and I'm surprised this couple's "queer lactation expert" didn't know that.

You can induce lactation in men, or in women who have not given birth. Adoptive parents have done it, but obviously it's much more common in women. Any woman who has breastfed will have experienced that "let down" feeling when you walk past a screeching newborn in the supermarket. Women who have not given birth can induce lactation with a lot of work, men can also induce lactation with a lot more work. But yes, drugs are involved and you have to question who is benefitting from it. I am a MASSIVE advocate of breastfeeding and believe it's the most natural choice for babies - except in this case, where it isn't the most natural choice.

And how come it's breastfeeding when a transwoman does it, and chestfeeding when a woman does it?

The argument about adoptive parents inducing lactation always comes up and it pisses me right off. I am an adoptive parent to two, and I have never, ever known of any other adoptive parents having induced lactation in the UK - and if they did, it would not be because that is what’s best for baby.

It's been a very long time, but I still remember vividly struggling with breastfeeding when my daughter was born. She was delivered by emergency CS and I had thought that would rule out breastfeeding, but a wonderful student midwife had read my birth plan and when I was brought back to the postnatal ward she said kindly but firmly 'I see you want to breastfeed, well, we'd better get started with that then' and she put my daughter to the breast. Daughter and I were both pretty dopy so there wasn't much sucking going on, but it was a symbolic gesture, and I never looked back after that in terms of my keenness. Took a few days to get over the soreness and so on and to get her latching properly, but we got there, and in the end I fed her for 15 months. It made all the difference when my son was born that I knew I could do it, because I'd done it before, and it was all pretty straightforward that time.

Well the transwoman hasn’t of course gone to the bother of actually giving birth so it’s not quite the same as a woman breastfeeding after giving birth when like all mature female mammals the natural bodily response is lactation.

Apparently a side effect of the pandemic for bf infants was fewer issues with low weight gain as mums just fed fed fed and weren't being interrupted by the hectic demands of modern life.

Many other cultures have the 40 days confinement thing for mum primarily so she can recover but mainly establish her supply with baby, uninterrupted.

That NCT stuff is tripe. I've BF for 8 years across 3 babies, peer counselled and talked to so many women online and in real life and no woman has ever told me they found it erotic.

Yes, @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g supply will absolutely be interrupted, and no man will be making essential colostrum. You see threads on here all the time about trying to give baby the first couple of weeks as colostrum is SO beneficial, indeed it's a necessity for BF babies. I fed my DS throughout pregnancy with his brother. He voluntarily weaned just before birth as my milk changed so much back to colostrum for the new baby. It's pregnancy led and no protocol will replicate it in a man.

So if you saw a child being abused you'd walk on by and not do anything because it doesn't affect you? Nice to know.

And the reason I ended up with oversupply after following poor advice on hospital is that they were concerned my very underweight baby would over exert himself trying to feed.

Though he only^ put on weight when I stopped pumping and supplementing and he just fed on demand - which is the whole point for a newborn.^

Bet your bloody life it was a man who wrote that shite. Who were these breastfeeding mothers they asked?!! 🤨

That gives me the most unsettling feeling.
I think this is one of the craziest things I've read.
it's many years since I fed but I can't imagine using the word erotic to describe it.

Yea gasp. Anyone who does know a bit about basic bf knows that to be the case.

There's some sick bastards out there. Don't believe a word of it.

Yes you are absolutely right. A baby sucks hard and uses a lot of their limited energy to do so. They need nutrition. A mother’s best chance at establishing breastfeeding and an adequate milk supply is if their baby is sucking at their breast as frequently as possible.

You are also correct that medically induced male breast secretions (galactorrhea) are not the same at colostrum. I continue to wait for evidence of the nutritional contents of galactorrhea.

Dunno Delph. Rather beyond me.

Excellent post Itsanovary, and let's face it, scientific evidenced rigour, like rigorous safeguarding, isn't exactly a hot topic when it comes to prioritising health implications over the 'I wants' in trans healthcare is it?

It has been posted here before but this is the link to trans woman Dana Fried discussing the experience of breastfeeding:

www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

A few choice quotes below:

“Imagine the most electric thing a partner has ever done to you, then multiply it by 10. I could feel my brain rewiring, creating pathways that would permanently connect me to my child. (And yeah, I kind of got off on it. Don't judge.)”

“I used to joke that my transition was a success when my dysphoria was replaced with the standard-issue body hate that comes with being a woman. We're constantly told that our primary value as women is decorative, that failing to be attractive is the worst crime we can commit. But bodies aren't just decorative—they're functional, and we can seek validation in that function, too.”

“I might have been my daughter's sperm donor, but breastfeeding was how I knew I was going to be a mom. It validated my womanhood as much as any surgery ever could.”

“So if our plan was an abject failure, why am I gushing about breastfeeding? Because when they pulled my daughter free of my wife's body, I was the first one to hold her. I took her back to the hospital room and did what any mom would do—I put her on my bare chest and let her find my breast. And that tiny, perfect creature latched onto me, and got what sustenance my body could provide, and was content.“

Unclear how Dana knew the baby was content. A newborn baby with a suck reflex will latch onto literally anything.

It's been a long time since I was breastfeeding, but am I right that it is well understood that a new mother has a much better chance of establishing her milk supply if she feeds a lot and the baby gets no other milk or liquid from any other source? That's certainly how it worked for me.

I can't imagine that a father (or a mother who hasn't just given birth) could produce colostrum, which is exceptionally valuable to a newborn human baby.

How is this not child abuse?

There's something not right at the NCT. I bet no woman wrote that.

And then go on to say that incorporating breast milk into sex is completely natural?!?! 🤯🤯🤯🤯

WTF?! Someone just posted this on Twitter in defence of the transwomen admitting to getting off on it.

www.nct.org.uk/life-parent/sex-after-baby/breastfeeding-and-sex-five-surprising-facts

The NCT say 33-50% of breastfeeding mothers say they found it erotic?!?! 🤯

I do not believe that is true.