A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

Is this the individual who barely mentions the mother who birthed the baby, says having a baby suckle on them is 10 times more exciting than what a partner could possibly do to them and whose healthcare professional who helped them do it is also trans?

if so there were threads about it at the time, which I believe was several years ago. Along with numerous links to reddit showing loads of men trying to induce lactation for the same reasons, but being a lot more upfront about it.

I'm jealous of your friend too. Wasn't aware of the 40 days confinement thing, really interesting, and yeah I have only ever heard the comparisons that appear to show western women in a bad light.

I remember one social science lecturer telling us in university, and I've heard it repeated since, that the pain of childbirth has been 'greatly exaggerated' in developed countries, because in some tribe in Africa, the women aren't allowed to make a sound during birth and in another the male partner 'feels the pain' and the women get up mere minutes afterwards and go back out to working in the fields with the baby strapped to their backs.

This apparently meant that the supposed pain that women in European countries (the UK in this context) are feeling is all in their minds, and not linked to an actual physical reality. It is socially engineered.

Ditto the higher need for caesareans and medical intervention

We have BPA free bottles and soya formula is discouraged because of the potential estrogen mimicking effects and potential for fertility damage, yet we're supposed to cheer on a TW breastfeeding while taking high dose estrogen not to mention all the other drugs?

Yes @Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople It is gaslighting in the extreme.

There's so much gaslighting going on around this at the moment:

Come on, of course male breasts are exactly the same female breasts, it's basic biology duh.

Of course biological males can breastfeed just like women.

Of course it's fine that some TW say they get off on breastfeeding a baby, loadsa women find breastfeeding erotic, God, you didn't even know that? Ah yes, it's because women feel repressed about talking about how sexy they find breastfeeding because Pearl clutchers like you don't want them to talk about it.

Honestly, just fuck off.

Yeah some remote tribe doing motherhood and birthing differently, is also used to beat women in western countries over the head for requiring pain relief whilst giving birth, or finding the birthing process traumatic and not being immediately up on their feet and working again afterwards.

And the elements that benefit women and new mothers are never what's focused on at great length when looking at parenting practises outside western "Norms."

Eg the 40 days 'confinement' that my Japanese friend did with both her children. V common in many cultures. (Amazing woman, high up in unicef and thus has diplomatic status on flights of which I'm well jel.)

I find the picture honestly sad. The baby has no idea what's going on and why they're not getting what they need. Selfish, I have no idea why people are falling over themselves to defend it.

Yeah some remote tribe doing motherhood and birthing differently, is also used to beat women in western countries over the head for requiring pain relief whilst giving birth, or finding the birthing process traumatic and not being immediately up on their feet and working again afterwards.

Also, you don't latch a baby like that, they need the ability to freely move their heads. Feet on something to help push to adjust, Aka biological nursing.

It's actually medically negligent at best.

Worst is that it's emotional abuse for the mother and child and if I say what it it's for males, I'll get deleted.

Either way, lack of support for breastfeeding mothers and giving males drugs to both change their body, suppress their natural hormones and potentially induce secretions is medical negligence.

It's been deleted I think @WalkerWalking

This person posted on Reddit and since deleted their post because apparently people were saying they should be killed

Same sort of armpit bulge. They also posted what they did to induce lactation so no, I don't think they're women pretending they're not.

On a follow up thread, there are other posters saying that they're planning on feeding the child their female partner gives birth to. Uterus transplants are also a regular topic of discussion.

Either way breast-feeding promotes bonding between parent and child and improves parental MH both of which are good outcomes for women and TW.

///

After the journey (physically and emotionally) a woman goes through to get to this point of finally holding the child she has grown absolutely. Let's not also forget a high chance of PND for many women. This individual has not been through ANY of this ordeal but hey, let's do the Insta glam BF bit.

That baby is not a mental health solution for this man

Agree with a previous poster that this could drip drip support for the idea of body parts implants for TW to "have babies ".

If I said what I think about men breastfeeding babies, I would get deleted.

I also think the likely effect of amplifying males breastfeeding in this way will continue to disassociate breastfeeding from mothers.

If someone was actually interested in encouraging breastfeeding again, amplifying males doing it is not going to have the effect of supporting nursing mothers.

Firstly, because the heavy investment needed for males to do this takes away from where the investment should be : supporting mothers. As others have said.

Including those males entering into breastfeeding groups and changing the focus.

Secondly, it is further disassociating it as something unique to mothers and gives the impression that anyone can do it. It started with removing the mother and baby centred language, calling it chestfeeding and pregnant people etc. This is the next step. Again, it is sending out the message that it is all about the infant, and making it all about the adults doing it.

There are other reasons too, but I won’t go into them, some might be deemed deletion worthy by those not wanting such things discussed.

Apologies, I haven't RTFT. Has anyone found the original post/photo? Is everyone convinced that this is even a transwoman? I know that the angle is such that you can't really see, but the shoulders and especially the little armpit bulge look very female to me. It definitely doesn't look like someone who has just given birth though. I wonder whether this is in fact a photo of a lesbian partner or an adoptive parent rather than a transwoman.

I have heard of men lactating, but only ever in the context of a significant brain tumour.

I have so much more to say about this, breastfeeding stigma, and REAL trans rights, where informed consent is wilfully sidestepped, but I have to scurryfunge.

Most mothers prioritise their new born baby's health and well-being.

Yes. Agree.

*suckling

Helle is still can't fathom the reason why the odd rare, random man sucking is championed and yet women such as myself, feeding for longer than 1 year, as per the evolutionary norm, still faces stigma.

ItsAnOvaryAction

Look back a page or two.

And we also had a fly by you admonishment from another poster a page before that did not use the term. That poster managed to include their usual derision of women, and hyperbole about reactions to males being in female toilets.

@ItsAnOvaryAction I was referring more to Helen who is a regular 'it's an echo chamber' devotee.

Penelope has made points to add to the discussion but her arguments fall down because there is no research being done into the nutritional value/benefits of of the substance secreted by males who have been induced to produce milk. Whatever anyone's feelings about transwomen breastfeeding, surely the main argument would be whether such a substance benefits the baby and why such research is not being carried out.

Any ethical studies/research/implementation of protocol would have this as a primary, over-arching concern. There should be multiple studies. There's not.

WarriorN

The small population of that tribe is often used as a ‘gotcha’. I remember it off the discussion in the other thread posted earlier.

It is used to justify males doing this, just as the Samoan Faʻafafine have been leveraged into the trans debate. (Most likely unasked, and seemingly often misinterpreted and kudos to the Samoan president for his statement about males participating in female sports because it seems I have seen the Samoans leveraged much less since that clarification).

I remember also reading that some anthropologists clarified the whole ‘males suckling’ point too and that being posted on that other thread.

I am sure I am not alone in having had this discussion before and rather in depth.

I remember also from that thread (I would search for it but am on my phone and advanced search sucks) the South American model using a feeding infant as a prop for a photo shoot. And that any rejection of that infant being used in such a way was labelled as hate.

I am yet to see even one convincing argument as to why any male would be acceptable to feed an infant the substance produced through any galactorrhea method or to even encourage an infant to suckle in a modern society. Little known tribes in Africa are not the gotcha some people think.

It's no good any of these peer and consultant led bf support charities demonstrating the dire lack of free support for women and awful bf rates and then cheering on the clearly very rare occurrence of a male who's pulled all the stops out to achieve what only 30 % of women have managed to do.

I dread to think about the expense and which other women could have benefited from the time, money and effort (not even taking the drug). That money and time could have been better spent.