Should gender critical people actually be non-binary?? Or should non-binary people actually be gender critical?? I'm struggling to see the difference

I thought about this, and there is some common ground here, in that, she was rejecting and did not identify with the stereotypes associated with being a woman. Her solution to this is to ‘opt out’ of womanhood in favour of being non binary - to me, that is regressive. I do not fit into female gender stereotypes, but I don’t think we need to - I am still a woman.

They aren't interchangeable, as they are exact opposites.

I think the main thing is that the self proclaimed non-binary people think that everyone else conforms to regressive gender stereotypes and they are the only ones so enlightened as to not. Whereas gender critical people see all the shades of grey.

If I classified myself under the gender ideology system of "gender" I would definitely have to classify myself as non-binary.

I think that people use this system is because they want to belong under the LGBTQIA+++ umbrella. It is a fashion / youth culture.

Sit down OP and make a cup of tea.

a - there are two sexes. Everyone is either one or the other.

b - everyone is non-binary because non-binary means you like stuff and wear clothes.

That's it. Hope that helps

Gender critical people think that gender non-conformity is common and normal. Gender stereotypes are just stereotypes which should be broken down for the benefit of everyone.

Non-binary people think that gender non-conformity is a minority experience. And they are dependent on gender stereotypes being upheld for everyone else in order to validate the uniqueness of their experience.

My youngest told me they were 'agender'. I briefly toyed with the idea of starting every interaction with apologies for absence and reading the minutes of the previous conversation. Then I decided I couldn't be arsed but I did apologise for laughing.

I agree, as I see it it's the difference between 'more boxes' and 'we don't need no steenkin' boxes'.

The Jesus and Mo comic had a great one about this just this week

Fantastic.

The Jesus and Mo comic had a great one about this just this week

Jesus and Mo

No, because NB are fully immersed into gender ideology yet don’t fit the girl or boy boxes, but instead of the Penny dropping and realising that the boxes are unnecessary, they made another one (I mean, one of over a hundred if we believe in gender) to neatly put themselves into.

As a non believer in gender, and someone who rejects stereotypes, I don’t want a box. I’d prefer to just be me.

In religious terms, maybe you could have "unsouled people" - people who thought they didn't have a soul, unlike normal people.

They would be quite distinct from atheists.

It is a strange one, are most people by default non binary? I don’t particularly feel like a man or a woman, I’m just me. The only people who I’ve seen ever say they feel their gender is trans people. And then non binary people say they don’t feel they have a gender.

Gender free apparently comes under Stonewalls trans umbrella (along with pretty much everything else ) and I don’t have a gender, I have a sex.

I’d love to see someone who genuinely believes in all this explain why it’s completely unrelated to gender stereotypes

Part of being non-binary is believing that other people are binary.

Gender-critical people don't believe there are any binary people.

Well, the difference is that people who claim to be non-binary claim to think that how far you identify with the masculine or the feminine is definitive of what you are, whereas gender critical people say it’s irrelevant.

I got the impression that non binary people strongly believe in stereotypes, so eg think so strongly that women look and act a certain way that they make up a new gender because they view it that you can't just be a woman who has non stereotypical preferences.

I agree entirely and have been wondering the same thing for a while! Sometimes I'm just tempted to say I'm non-binary to annoy and infiltrate the LGBTQ++++++++ lot at work.